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The Overarching Conquest Guide (S8, Patch 8.1, Bonus Update)

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by Branmuffin17 updated March 3, 2021

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Introduction

Recent Guide Updates:

2021/3/3: Guide is current as of Patch 8.2, "Goddess of the Salt Sea.". Tiamat added. Minor general Conquest details updated.

Revision History


Recent Patches:
  • Patch 8.1, "Season 8." New longer, wider Conquest Map w/ reworked jungle, including new camps and changed camp locations, and new Scorpion NPCs with unique buffs. New art on geography, towers, and various minions. Adjustments to spawn times, jungle monster stats and objectives. Base gates added. Blessings removed, 16 new starter items each with 2 upgrades. New physical item Domination. Jungle fog decreased. New Global Anti-Heal Aura. Various god and item adjustments.
  • Patch 7.12, "The Legendary Tanuki." Danzaburou added. Mostly minor god adjustments, no item adjustments.

*MAIN SEASON 8 CHANGES*

Season 8 hit on January 26, 2021. There is a brand new Conquest map with new art style and a slew of new or changed features. Here are some of the key changes:
  • New Map: Completely reworked map that is longer and wider than the S7 version. Jungle has been reworked with new pathing and camp location changes. The Jungle Shrine has been removed.
  • Minion / Jungle Monster / Objective Stat Adjustments: Spawn times, jungle monster stats, and objective stats have been revised. Find the full list of stats here.
  • New Scorpion NPCs: 2 Lesser Scorpions will spawn in the Duo lane, and 1 in the Solo Lane, providing a temporary healing aura when downed. 2 Greater Scorpions will spawn in the Jungle, respawning in a different area depending on who killed them. The team that secures the kills gains enhanced camp buff effects on that side of the map.
  • Base Gates: Can be opened temporarily on the defending side, allowing for quicker exit from base to the jungle.
  • Fountain Buff: When all of a team's phoenixes are alive, players receive Reinvigoration (buff) when exiting their fountain (increases MS by 40% for 5s).
  • Invader's Curse (Debuff): This healing / MS / AS debuff, implemented in Season 7 to discourage early invades, now encompasses all buff camps until 01:00.
  • Global Anti-Heal Aura (Debuff): This healing debuff decreases all healing taken by 30% when not "brawling." Brawling consists of taking / dealing damage or crowd control to / from an enemy god in the last 4s.
  • New Starter Items: Blessings are no more. There are 16 new starter items, plus 2 upgrades each.
  • New Physical Item: Dominance added with focus targeted for basic attackers, building off the Morningstar tree.


Art by Getsukeii via DeviantArt


Welcome! This is a guide for SMITE's Conquest mode, designed to apply on a high level to general gameplay and tips, rather than focusing on individual gods or builds.

The most competitive and complex mode in SMITE, Conquest can be played in both casual and ranked modes, and is the mode played by the pros. It provides the ultimate conglomeration of all aspects of SMITE gameplay and strategy, including 1 v 1, jungling, build efficiency, counter-building, teamfighting, communication, and taking objectives.

This guide targets the following players:
  • New players looking for general information on the most competitive and comprehensive mode in SMITE

  • Regulars looking for a refresher or to possibly learn a helpful tip or two

  • Regulars that enjoy providing feedback, suggestions, and thoughts (thanks!)

Conquest topics that will be covered:
  • General rules and technical details

  • Overview and gameplay for each role, including popular starting items and starting processes

  • Coverage of strategic gameplay elements, including warding, awareness, and communication

This guide is NOT designed to cover all of the intricacies and in-depth information required to be a successful ranked player, though the basics contained herein will help you prepare. As such, it will not cover topics such as picks and bans, or individual god strategies. With the exception of the ADC / Carry, I will also not be discussing complete builds, as there are many variations for building and counter-building for each role.


*NOTE FOR TRUE BEGINNERS*

If you're a true beginner, and you've stumbled upon this guide, it might be better if you start at the very beginning. That beginning is:


Keep in mind that it IS outdated, but the core information still applies.



ROLE GUIDES: There's a new tutorial feature called "Role Guides" that has been added to help new players. It detects your assigned role from the lobby to provide a guided experience, showing you waypoints and starting paths, draws attention to respawning camps, and highlights jungle bosses and towers as the game progresses. Can be toggled on/off at any time, and works within Co-op and PvP modes. Check it out!

*NOTE ON TOXICITY*

SMITE is a MOBA. As such (unfortunately), you can expect to encounter toxicity in some of your matches. The easiest suggestion is to group with like-minded individuals / friends that are okay with you not being perfect (or anywhere close to...). Unfortunately, you won't always be able to do this.

If you're able to brush nasty comments off, more power to you. Another GREAT option is the in-game MUTE button!

However, you might find the following link helpful:



As a final thought before we begin, understand that I am not a pro by any means. This project is a love letter to a game I've thoroughly enjoyed for years, and I've gathered as much information as I could from various sources and my own experience to help others develop the same love for the game that I have. You may not agree with everything contained herein, and with the plethora of information, there are likely to be mistakes (let me know if you catch any!). The following contains information obtained through time and experience, and I hope you get something of quality out of this guide. So let's start, shall we?



Conquest Overview

Legend:
  • Duo Lane (longer lane)

  • Mid Lane

  • Solo Lane (shorter lane)

  • Harpy (XP) Camps

  • Lesser Scorpions,Greater Scorpions,Greater Scorpion Alternate Spawn Locations

  • Gold Fury,Fire Giant,
    Oracle Harpies,Pyromancer
    Totem of Ku

  • Damage Buff,Mana Buff,
    Speed Buff, Void Buff

  • +Towers,+Phoenixes

  • +Titans


General Conquest Details

  • This is a 5 v 5 match with 3 lanes and a jungle section in-between lanes. All unlocked/free rotation gods are available.

  • Roles are requested prior to entering a match lobby (2 preferred roles per player). Roles are officially assigned by the system upon entering into the lobby. Roles are: ADC (Carry), Support, Jungle, Mid, Solo. New Feature! You can request to exchange roles with other players while in the lobby.

  • Everyone starts at level 1 with 1,500 gold. Setup time (before the match starts) is 1 minute. Once the match timer starts, everyone gains 3 gold per second (otherwise known as "gold spool").

  • *NOTE* All minions, structures and the Titan deal physical damage (exception being the Fire Giant, who deals both physical AND magical damage depending on attack).

Special features:
  • "Invader's Curse" Debuff: Through the first 35s of the match, the jungle buff camps emit a large protective debuff aura around themselves, called the "Invader's Curse". Enemies that enter the aura's radius will have their healing, movement speed and attack speed reduced by 30%. This debuff persists for five seconds after leaving the area, and discourages early enemy invades.

  • Global Anti-Heal Aura (Debuff): This healing debuff is applied through the entire map for the whole match, decreasing all healing taken by 30% when not "brawling." Brawling consists of taking / dealing damage or crowd control to / from an enemy god in the last 4s.

  • Minion Behavior: Since Patch 7.7, most jungle minions now act aggressively, attacking when any player is in their leash range. These include the buff camps and all types of harpies.

Main buff camps:

These buff camps first spawn at 00:20. Buffs last for 2 minutes, camps respawn in 2 minutes after ALL minions are killed).

Void Buff (Chimeras)
  • Typically taken by: ADC (Carry)
  • Chimera ability (debuff): Void Sludge. The chimera fires a projectile attack at its target, applying a debuff to the first target it aggros (stacking up to 3 times), applying 5% protection reduction per stack for 10 seconds.
  • Void buff: If an enemy is within 55 units, applies a debuff of 5% protection reduction and 10 flat protections, and provides a 10% attack speed buff.
Damage Buff (Manticores)
  • Typically taken by: Mid-Laner
  • Manticore ability (damage): Berserk. Triggers when Manticore goes below 45% health. This attack has increased Attack Speed, causing players to take more damage over time.
  • Damage buff: 10% damage + 10 mag power / 5 phys power.
Speed Buff (Centaurs)
  • Typically taken by: Jungler
  • Centaur ability (damage): Spear Thrust. Winds up for a powerful thrust, damaging all enemies in a line. Deals 3x its basic attack damage to enemies within range.
  • Speed buff: 5% move speed + 10% CC reduction. Applies additional stacks of 2% move speed on each jungle camp kill/assist. Stacks up to 3 times, stacks last 15 seconds.


    NOTE: Gods that visit a Jungle Camp on their side of the map will now receive vision of the in-world and minimap respawn timers for that camp. This is granted even if the camp was invaded and cleared by the enemy.
Mana Buff (Satyrs)
  • Typically taken by: Solo Laner
  • Satyr ability (summon): Summon Spirits. Up to 4 Spirit Satyrs will be summoned in to help the Satyr shortly after he enters combat. These have very low HP but can deal a lot of damage if left unchecked.
  • Mana buff: Grants 20 mana healed every 5 seconds and 10% cooldown reduction. Each time you hit an enemy god with an ability you regain 2% of your missing mana.

Special camps / buffs:
  • Fire Giant's Might Buff: 70 magical power, 50 physical power, 4% HP5 and 2% MP5, +25% damage increase to structures, 4 minute duration. Obtained by the entire team that defeats the Fire Giant. Spawns at 10:00, respawns in 5 minutes. At the 30 minute mark, the Enhanced Fire Giant replaces the regular version, providing 100 magical power, 65 physical power, and 30% increased bonus damage to structures, in addition to the other stats. Also allows players to ignore 50% of a tower's backdoor protection.

  • Oracle Harpies (across from the Gold Fury): If a team kills BOTH Oracle Harpies, that team is given vision of the Fury pit for 90 seconds. Spawns at 0:30, respawns in 3 minutes.

  • Oni Fury (random spawn in place of base Gold Fury): Lane minion buff. After its defeat, the next round of minions spawned in all 3 lanes are granted 75% bonus damage, 30% bonus health, increased Physical protections by 50, and Magical protections by 60.

  • Primal Fury (random spawn in place of base Gold Fury): Provides permanent increased damage against jungle monsters. After its defeat, grants every player on the killer's team a stacking 7% damage buff towards and 7% reduced damage from jungle camps and jungle bosses (stacks 3 times).

  • Pyromancer (across from the Fire Giant): When defeated, provides a buff for players leaving the fountain. Players gain +40% move speed for 15 seconds (entering combat immediately removes the buff). 90 second duration.

  • Lesser Scorpions (located on the outer edges of the Duo and Solo lanes): These monsters are “downed” when their HP bar is depleted, and require 3 more hits to secure the kill and Gold/XP rewards. While in their downed state, they emit a healing aura that heals 20 health per second for 10 seconds.

  • Greater Scorpions (located on both sides of the Jungle, varying spawn locations): Two Greater Scorpions will spawn on each side of the map. One first spawns in the Gold Fury location at 05:00, and the other spawns in the Fire Giant pit at 10:00. While alive, these monsters prevent the spawn of both major neutral bosses. After a Greater Scorpion is slain, its spawn location will move deeper into the enemy jungle, depending on which team secured the kill.

    Slaying a Greater Scorpion will enhance your buff camps on the side of the map where it was killed. These camps drop Enhanced Buffs that provide additional bonuses on top of their base effects:

    - Enhanced Void Buff: Increases attack speed by an additional 15%
    - Enhanced Damage Buff: Additionally provides 7% Physical and Magical lifesteal
    - Enhanced Speed Buff: Increases movement speed by an additional 5%
    - Enhanced Mana Buff: Increases CDR bonus by an additional 10%, and provides 10% increased maximum Mana

  • Totem of Ku (behind the Fire Giant next to the Solo lane): for the first 15 minutes of the match, a Totem will appear near the Solo lane. Players can attack this Totem, and after enough damage is dealt the totem will favor a team. Towers for that team will provide 20 gold to each team member, as well as an empowering aura in all allied tower areas that boost movement speed (5%) and mana regeneration (varying amounts at different times of the match) for 1 minute. While the aura is active, players leaving the tower areas retain the MS and MP5 buff for 10 seconds. It is refreshed if they re-enter the area if the aura is still active.

Game Phases:

A Conquest match consists of 3 conceptual phases: Early, Mid, and Late-Game. These are loosely defined by a combination of the following: match time, build and level progress, objective/structure status.
  • Early Game: AKA the "Laning Phase." Beginning at the start of the match, through the timepoint is roughly around 10-15 minutes. Player levels reach around 10, and builds consist of up to around 2 full items. The majority of roles (ADC (Carry) / Mid / Solo) stay in their lanes to farm for XP / gold. The Support will often begin to rotate through the jungle before the laning phase ends, and the Jungler will roam throughout. The Gold Fury and Oracle Harpies may be targeted at any time, especially if one team gains a temporary advantage (early kills).

  • Mid-Game: From the transition through the early game to around 20-25 minutes. Player levels are approaching 20, and builds are nearing completion (4-5 completed items). Players will rotate between lanes much more to support teammates either push or defend objectives. All mid-map objectives have increased importance. The Pyromancer and Fire Giant spawn at 10 minutes and should be watched closely.

  • Late-Game: From the transition through the mid-game to the end of the match. Players reach level 20, and builds are completed. Players will often roam in groups to destroy and defend objectives. Many fights are in groups, and if a team gains a huge advantage of numbers through successful teamfighting, the Titan is targeted to end the game.

Lane Minions Details


Minions spawn every 30 seconds in each lane starting at time 0, consisting of 3 ranged-attack Archers (in the back) and a total of 3 of Swordsmen / Brutes (in the front).

Penetration stats have no effect.


The lane minions are the main source of gold and XP for the ADC, Mid, and Solo-Laners. They provide +50% gold on last-hit, but still provide gold on assist / proximity.

Since archers deal higher damage from distance, and have lower health, they should be the priority targets if you can't hit the entire wave.

Minions generally attack the closest target to them. However, they will switch targets to the enemy god if that god does damage to an allied god within their vicinity.

Key minion stats:
  • Lane minions deal 40% less damage to gods.
  • Minions prioritize towers, phoenixes, and Titans over enemy minions, deployables, and pets.
  • Minions reward additional XP and gold every 3 minutes, capping at 21 minutes.
  • Although minions do not have protections, per se, they take reduced damage
    as follows: 10% + 1% per minute since the start of the match.
  • Flaming Minions: a special form of minion that spawn while an enemy phoenix is down in the opposite lane. These minions deal twice as much damage and have 200 more health than their non-flaming counterparts. Their damage reduction remains the same.
If your tower hits the minion at least once, you still get XP but receive ONLY 25% GOLD. It's this aspect of gameplay that shapes strategies for winning your lane against your lane enemy.


General Lane Strategies


Let's go over some of the strategies that can help you win your lane (or allow you to stop the bleeding, re: Playing From Behind):

Hard Pushing

Lane Freezing & Bullying

Proxy-Farming

Playing From Behind


Jungle Camps, Objectives & Structures


Here are the dirty (boring) details about jungle camps, jungle objectives, and structures. Not very exciting, but it's important to understand what they can do and what affects them.

Jungle Camp / Boss Details

Tower, Phoenix & Titan Details


Roles: Duo Lane ADC (Carry)

Standard / Meta Gods Used in the ADC / Carry Role:




Typical ADC Qualities:

Strengths

+ High single target damage
+ Strong late-game
+ Highest potential sustained damage output
Weaknesses

- Squishy
- CC abilities may be limited
- Reliant on Support early for protection/initiation


ADC (Carry) 101

  • Who (typically plays as an ADC): Hunters are the common choice for the ADC role due to their reliance on ranged basic attacks, though there are some mages whose basic attacks are strengthened within their kits, giving them some potential as well. Some assassins may also do well in this role, such as Kali, but they are not considered "common" picks.

  • What (does the ADC do): The ADC (Attack Damage Carry) is aptly named. Due to their extremely high late-game damage via their basic attacks, it is possible for them to blow through enemies and objectives, and "carry" their team to victory.

  • When (is the ADC most relevant): Many ADCs start out a bit weak, and they are dependent on items. Almost all are powerhouses in the late game, with builds based around stats such as power, lifesteal, attack speed, penetration, and (for physical gods) crit items and/or Qin's Sais.

  • Where (should they be): The ADC will usually stay in the Duo Lane with the Support for the first few minutes. In the mid-game, they'll often find themselves alone more often with the enemy ADC, as their focus will be to continue farming resources, though their scope will increase to nearby skirmishes and objective control. In the later stages of a match, they need to bring their high damage to a teamfight, and focus on taking down the rest of the objectives taking out objectives.

  • Why (would you want to play as an ADC): If you have the patience to wait for the late game, and like the opportunity to absolutely blast enemies down, this role is for you.

  • How (should you play them): ADCs generally want to build a bit of sustain (e.g. lifesteal) to help them with laning and 1 v 1 boxing, but focus mainly on building up attack speed, penetration, and enhanced damage. They want to clear waves quickly and efficiently, and poke the enemy (or outbox them) when possible.

  • Main Responsibilities: farm minions and camps efficiently to build and level up quickly, maintain constant pressure with poke damage, be opportunistic with god kills, destroy objectives, and above all, DON'T DIE.


Hunter Builds


*NOTE ON HUNTER BUILDS* The ADC (Carry) will be the only group in this guide with full build discussion. Only Hunters are covered, as Mages can be built in a few ways with good but different effect.

*NOTE ON SEASON 8 STARTER ITEMS* S8 sees a huge change to starter items, doing away with Blessings and introducing 16 new starters. Of those, the ones that are interesting / potentially viable for hunters include Death's Toll, Gilded Arrow, Leather Cowl, Manikin Scepter, and Bluestone Pendant.

Thoughts on these starters and what to consider when choosing these:



Death's Toll
This is the safest pick for early sustain of both health AND mana, and may be a decent pick for gods reliant on a bit more ability use (due to mana sustain, and has power as opposed to increased basic attack damage).
  • Death's Embrace is a reliable upgrade providing you with enhanced health and mana sustain.

  • Death's Temper is specifically for basic attack damage enhancement. It loses the sustain (which is fine because you'll likely have either Devourer's Gauntlet or Asi) and requires stacking to get the basic attack damage boost, but will deliver a very significant DPS boost when stacked.


Gilded Arrow
This is a strong starter item for ADCs right now. It doesn't provide any health sustain, but does have a bit of mana sustain, allowing you to get more early Health Potions. The basic attack damage boost and situational AS boost is nice, and the gold increase is helpful but not over-tuned.
  • Diamond Arrow is great for gold farming and situationally very high AS. If you prioritize this when you hit level 20, your gold increase when farming should allow you to get the rest of your items online much quicker, and get you moving also toward the big potions.

  • Ornate Arrow is the go-to for crit builds, though it also provides a consistent AS increase as long as you have enough gold in your pocket.


Leather Cowl
Leather Cowl is the utility starter, and while it has health sustain from lifesteal, it has no mana sustain whatsoever. Strongly suggest picking up mana potions to sustain you early, until you get more mana in something like Transcendence, or MP5 in an item like Dominance. The MS it provides when you're not with teammates can be helpful for chase or escape, but you're really getting this for the upgrades.
  • Hunter's Cowl is great in later stages of a match when you're teamfighting, especially if you have other basic-attacking teammates, as it gives you an aura similar to Shogun's Kusari. This helps when taking down jungle bosses (FG / GF), structures, etc.

  • Leader's Cowl is much more situational, but the power boost can be extremely effective when you outnumber the enemy (or the enemy is not there, such as when you're going for one of the jungle bosses).


Manikin Scepter
This is actually a Jungle starter, but provides some interesting basic attack function and can be used to good effect for a select few ADCs to provide enhanced early wave clear (e.g. Izanami, possibly some magical ADCs that have self-healing potential). It provides no sustain of any type, so you will require potions until you're able to get some items providing sustain online.
  • Manikin Mace provides enhanced stats over the starter and should be the upgrade you choose.

  • Manikin Hidden Blade is an upgrade for gods that gank the backline; this is not the ADC and should not be chosen.


Bluestone Pendant
This is a Solo starter, but has stats that can serve an ability-based ADC well. With no health sustain, you'll have to get it from self-healing abilities or potions early. This could be functional for a god like Chiron, Medusa, Neith, or Ullr, but isn't recommended for standard basic-attack ADCs. Alternatively, it might be the go-to starter for Hunters in the Mid-Lane.
  • Bluestone Brooch: While it might work well for Hunters with damage in 3 or 4 abilities, the stats aren't as appealing overall as the other upgrade.

  • Corrupted Bluestone: This feels more synergistic for a Hunter, as it provides higher power, as well as situational enemy attack speed reduction and self attack speed boost (up to 75%!!!). If the Hunter has AOE damage abilities that work well in teamfights, you can rely on this for the majority of your attack speed, allowing you to focus less on attack speed and more on power and penetration.

  • Alternative - Skip Upgrade: As the upgrades aren't really that appealing, your other option is to sell Bluestone Pendant late-game for a regular T3 item. This may be your best option right now.


OR
OR
Elixir of Speed +
Tabi Replacement
Devourer's / Crit Build



Dominance / Crit Build



Devourers / Qins Build



Starter of
Your Choice
OR
Elixir of Speed +
Tabi Replacement
Transcendence / Qin's Build



OR
OR
OR
Sell
Bluestone

Elixir of Speed +
Tabi Replacement
Hybrid / Ability Builds



Gameplay Stages & Strategies


Starting Items

Starting Process

Early Gameplay Elements

Mid to Late Game Considerations & Strategies

Key Gameplay Strategies (Objectives & Split-Pushing)


Relics


*NOTE* Relics can be upgraded at a price of 500 gold.

Here are suggested relics that should be of most use to the ADC. Note that Blink Rune is not specifically included in this list; there are situations and gods that can find great function out of this aggressive relic, but it requires confidence and good familiarity with the god. For newer players and in general function, it's best to go with one of the regularly suggested relics.

Relic Discussion



Roles: Duo Lane Support

Standard / Meta Gods Used in the Support Role:




Flex Picks / Playable as Support:



Typical Support Qualities:

Strengths

+ Usually high protections/health
+ Some have great healing/sustain
+ Strong CC abilities
+ Great in teamfights
Weaknesses

- Early game can be difficult
- Struggle to make gold
- Usually low damage
- Underappreciated


Support 101

  • Who (typically plays in the Support role): The most common class used in the Support role is the Guardian, for their strong CC abilities and tankiness. However, there is more than one way to support. Some Warriors have great potential through base damage. Select Assassins see good efficacy in the role, such as Fenrir, Ne Zha, and Serqet. Some mages (healing such as Hel, or control such as Nox) can work as an alternative Support type.

  • What (does the Support do): The tanky Support is an early companion to the ADC, protecting them and helping set up kills. Later, they are expected to roam more, warding areas to give their team better vision, using their CC to initiate and/or tank in teamfight situations, and protect the other, more squishy classes. Other Supports that are more offense-oriented will use aggressive play to gain an early advantage.

  • When (is the Support most relevant): The Support role can generally remain relevant even when under-leveled, due to the nature of their kits providing support function rather than needing to focus on damage. Sentinel's Gift greatly helps early sustain and gold income, and Benevolence can also help with gold income while also supporting better farm for nearby teammates.

  • Where (should they be): The Support will assist the ADC in the Duo Lane in the early game. In the mid-game, they will rotate into the jungle to clear camps, protect teammates, and provide opportunities for ganks. Later, they will be relied upon for defense and protection of squishier teammates, and should always be in the middle of a teamfight.

  • Why (would you want to play as a Support): If you don't like being appreciated love being the backbone of your team, helping others to personal glory, this role was made for you.

  • How (should you play them: Supports generally focus on building health and protections, so they can bear the brunt of the enemy's attack. CDR (so they can use their abilities more often) and extra mobility (so they can get to where they're needed more quickly) are also helpful. Late-game, counter-building is extremely important.

  • Main Responsibilities: Watch the Duo-side jungle, protect the ADC in the early game, initiate and/or secure kills with CC abilities, rotate between lanes to support teammates and be in the front-line for all teamfights.


Gameplay Stages


Starting Items

Starting Process

Early Gameplay Elements

Mid to Late Game Considerations & Strategies



Relics


*NOTE* Relics can be upgraded at a price of 500 gold.

Recommended Relics

Here are recommended relics that should be of most use to the Support.

Recommended Relics



Situational Relics

These relics can be used to good effect, but are chosen to fit a specific situation or need.

Situational Relics


Key Support Items


Helpful Early Support Items

A Support's early job is usually to accompany their ADC for the first few minutes. There are some key items that are typically bought early in a match that provide a measure of offensive or defensive function. These will be covered below, but note that this list isn't necessarily comprehensive of ALL possible early items, just some of the most popular.

(Some) Helpful Early Support Items


Counter Items

A key component of operating as a Support is building items that work to counter dangerous enemies or enemy abilities. Most counter items are built in the mid to late game. The list below is not necessarily comprehensive, but covers the most popular items used for this purpose.

Important Counter Items



Roles: Jungler

Standard / Meta Gods Used in the Jungler Role:



Flex Picks / Playable as Jungler:



Typical Jungler Qualities:

Strengths

+ Great mobility
+ High damage or gank ability
+ Element of surprise
Weaknesses

- Usually squishy
- Requires gameplay adaptation
- Often weak teamfight presence


Jungler 101

  • Who (typically plays in the Jungle): Assassins form the majority of common Jungler choices, as they typically have high mobility and damage potential. A select few Mages, Warriors, and Guardians can also fill this role, depending on how they're built.

  • What (does the Jungler do): The Jungler is a wandering role, constantly on the move in the jungle and supporting multiple lanes. Rather than assigned a set position, their roving nature makes this a complex role, and their presence can shift the balance of a fight or set up an easy gank.

  • When (is the Jungler most relevant): The Jungler needs to be a potential threat for ganking the entire match. Early-game gods should try to get as many early kills and objectives for their team as possible, to put them ahead. Late-game gods should try to maintain pressure until they come into their power, at which point they should go where the enemy is weakest to take down objectives and create havoc.

  • Where (should they be): The Jungler will often start out by securing their Speed Buff. Their main functions after that are clearing their own jungle camps efficiently when they respawn, looking to steal resources from the enemy, providing extra pressure in the various lanes to help push, and watching closely for ganking opportunities.

  • Why (would you want to play as a Jungler): If you like being sneaky and get a thrill hiding in the fog and stalking your prey, sign up here.

  • How (should you play them): Junglers should focus on mobility and damage first, to help with roving efficiency and kill potential. Depending on their kits, power, penetration, and either attack speed or CDR are all stats that help them clear camps and gank quickly. Some can even build a protection item or two and remain dangerous threats.

  • Main Responsibilities: clear jungle camps, ward, gank lanes when opportunity knocks, and counter-jungle the enemy Jungler.


Gameplay Stages


Starting Items

Starting Process

Early Gameplay Elements

Mid To Late Game Considerations & Strategies



Early & Late-Game Junglers


Strong Early to Mid-Game Junglers

Strong Mid / Late-Game Junglers



Misc. Info (Relics)


*NOTE* Relics can be upgraded at a price of 500 gold.

Here are suggested relics that should be of most use to the Jungler.

Relics



Roles: Mid-Lane

Standard / Meta Gods Used in the Mid-Lane



Flex Picks / Playable as Mid-Laner:



Typical Mid-Laner Qualities:

Strengths

+ Strong late-game damage
+ Generally strong wave clear
+ Strong teamfight presence
Weaknesses

- Squishy
- Can lack escape / mobility
- Usually ability-reliant


Mid-Laner 101

  • Who (typically plays in the Mid-Lane): almost all standard Mid-Laners are Mages. This is not only in magical / physical balance to natural preferences for other roles, but also because Mages have great ranged damage potential, many of which are AOE. Some ability-reliant hunters (e.g. Medusa, Neith) can also do well in this role.

  • What (does the Mid do): Mid-Laners often want to have strong wave-clear potential. This helps them clear quickly and allow them to focus more on damaging the enemy. If they are weak in the early game but can force a stalemate until their power spikes, they can shift the balance of power in a teamfight, allowing their team to secure objectives.

  • When (is the Mid most relevant): with the wide range of abilities, strengths and weaknesses, some gods will find themselves more effective at certain times, though most Mid-Laners are item-reliant and are at their strongest late-game. It's important for them to take advantage of their strengths and push when they are able, without overextending themselves.

  • Where (should they be): they are mainly in charge of controlling the Mid-Lane and surrounding areas in the early game. They will venture outside their lane here and there (read: Mid-Camps, central objectives, gank attempts), but until the mid to late game when they group up to split-push and teamfight, they need to cement the center of the map.

  • Why (would you want to play in Mid): because...you like magical things. You like blowing things (gods) up. You want to be Harry Potter or Gandalf.

  • How (should you play them): Mid-Laners need to balance mana consumption while always applying pressure to the enemy Mid-Laner. Focus is often on items that provide a deep mana pool, along with high power and penetration to maximize damage. CDR for more ability use is also popular. However, some mages (e.g. Zhong Kui) can do well when built a bit more tanky, and can be effective when itemizing into some health and protections.

  • Main Responsibilities: clear the minion waves, apply pressure with poke damage and by pushing towers without overextending, work with the Jungler to set up ganks, avoid ganks by the enemy Support and Jungler.


Gameplay Stages


Starting Items

Starting Process

Early Gameplay Elements

Mid to Late Game Considerations & Strategies



Relics


*NOTE* Relics can be upgraded at a price of 500 gold.

Here are the recommended relics that should be of most use to the Mid-Laner. Note that Blink Rune is not included in this list; there are situations and gods (such as Anubis, Chang'e, He Bo, Janus, and Scylla) that can find great function out of this aggressive relic, but it requires confidence and good familiarity with the god. For newer players and in general function, it's best to go with one of the regularly suggested relics.

Relics



Roles: Solo Lane

Standard / Meta Gods Used in the Solo Lane



Flex Picks / Playable as Solo-Laner:



Typical Solo-Laner Qualities:

Strengths

+ Versatile gameplay
+ Balanced damage and protections
+ Generally strong teamfight presence
Weaknesses

- Vulnerable to ganks
- More of a 1 v 1 than any other position


Solo Laner 101

  • Who (typically plays in the Solo Lane): Warriors are often chosen for the Solo role, as they generally have a good balance of damage and survivability to hold their own. More than any other lane, however, a wide variety of gods/classes can be chosen with a good chance for success. It's more about how the individual gods match up. Gods that have sustain via self healing can have an advantage.

  • What (does the Solo do): More than any other lane, the Solo lane generally plays the closest to a 1 v 1 match. Threat from the Jungler is always a possibility, but the main objective is to out-play the enemy Solo, win their lane, and start rotating as soon as possible to help other lanes. Most Solo-laners are a tank for their team, to help absorb damage and provide disruption for their team. They may be a second source of CC for their team to help peel, or may look to dive the back-line of the enemy and disrupt their focus.

  • When (is the Solo most relevant): Solo-laners may be stronger early or late. Early-game gods should try to take advantage and pressure the enemy to win lane more quickly while they have the advantage. Late-game gods want to force an early stalemate, allowing them time to get their strength online to more effectively help their team.

  • Where (should they be): In the early game, they start the game in the Solo lane. They usually won't stray from the lane until mid-game, when the teams start fighting more in groups. In the mid-game, they will start rotating, covering / helping other teammates secure objectives or gank. In the late-game, they should be in the middle of teamfights, helping tank, shut down damage dealers, or whatever else their individual god strengths allow them to do.

  • Why (would you want to play in Solo): If you like 1 v 1 battles, this role is calling your name.

  • How (should you play them): Most Solo-laners will build tanky, though some of the more aggressive picks may build more into damage. Counter-building the enemy Solo god - as well as the Jungler - is key.

  • Main Responsibilities: Clear minion waves, protect your tower, secure the Totem of Ku, out-farm the enemy, work with your Jungler to secure kills in the early game. Be in the middle of teamfights in the late game.


Gameplay Stages


Starting Items

Starting Process

Early Gameplay Elements

Mid To Late Game Considerations & Strategies



Relics


*NOTE* Relics can be upgraded at a price of 500 gold.

Recommended Relics

Here are suggested relics that should be of most use to the Solo-Laner.

Recommended Relics


Situational Relics

These relics can be used to good effect, but are chosen to fit a specific situation or need.

Situational Relics



Warding

Wards are your extra set(s) of eyes. A necessity for pros, but whose use and placement is an enigma for new players. That's why we're going to cover some warding basics.

Regulars: you can skip this section if you feel solid on this, or you can pretend you're young and innocent and continue reading.

First, some general info:

  • Wards are consumable items that cost 50 gold, and allow you to see normal enemy movement within 45 units. It respects line of sight and can't see through walls or stealth. Remains for 3 minutes or until destroyed (3 basic attacks). It is invisible to enemies and cannot be targeted unless Sentry Wards are used nearby. Can only carry 2 at one time, and only 2 wards of any kind can be active at one time from any one player.

  • Sentry Wards cost 120 gold, and do all of the things regular wards do, but ALSO allow you to see enemy wards, which additionally allows you to target and destroy them (via 3 basic attacks). Can only carry / place 1 at one time, and only 2 wards of any kind can be active at one time from any single player.

  • Chalice of the Oracle costs 400 gold, and provides you with a stack of 2 standard wards that are refilled EVERY TIME YOU BACK. If you value vision and use a ton of wards every game, this is a reasonably-priced consumable that everyone should consider purchasing.

  • Vision Shard: This is a free, temporary relic automatically provided at the start of the match. It functions as a smaller radius, short duration (60 seconds) version of a regular Ward that gives no gold reward for destroying it. However, it has a cooldown of 120 seconds and is free, so can really help with early-game vision. Since it acts like a regular Ward, players with Teleport Glyph can teleport to it. At level 12, it can be replaced with your preferred 2nd relic.

  • When enemies enter the range of a friendly Ward, an audible *ping* can be heard, and a visual effect can be seen on the mini-map. Train your mind you react to this sound and glance at the mini-map every time you hear it.

  • Wards are commonly used in most areas of the jungle, and even in front of enemy towers. Sentry Wards are often used close to the key objectives such as the Gold Fury and Fire Giant, and are also used to counter-ward commonly used areas.

Warding 101

  • Who (should ward): The correct answer is EVERYONE. In casual games, the reality is that you can't really depend on all teammates to ward properly, or even at all. Depending on team comps and skill levels, you might be able to get by with just the Support and Jungler warding, but that's asking for trouble. So, the more people that ward, the better off you'll be.

  • What (items do we consider): Ward, Sentry Ward, Chalice of the Oracle.

  • When (should you ward): Against a really strong/aggressive early-game Jungler, your team might want to place a couple of wards at the very beginning of a match. However, the time when things become more dangerous is usually when gods hit level 5 and their ults become active, and this is the point when wards become more essential. But ganks aren't the only concern...there are multiple strategic objectives that should also be watched and warded when possible.

  • Where (should you ward): Good question. We'll go over it in detail below.

  • Why (should you ward): Because you like spotting vulnerable enemies. Because you don't like to be ganked. Because you don't want the enemy team to get key objectives. Because you want to be a good teammate. Awww, how sweet.

  • How (do you ward properly): Well, for starters, buy them at the fountain. You can learn how best to place them, given the situation, in significant detail below.

Keep in mind, locations in the maps below are based on you being on the Order side, and the enemy being on the Chaos side. It may be obvious, but these locations should be generally reversed if you start in Chaos.

These locations are going to generally be very simple, and don't specifically involve counter-warding concepts...just looking to give you good vision of general areas.

For higher level Warding concepts (though outdated), check out this Warding 101 Season 5 video, by EmilZy, as it provides some in-depth thinking on warding at all stages, counter-warding, etc.




Game-Start Warding (w/ Vision Shard)


The Vision Shard relic means everyone can ward at the beginning of a match without having to spend gold. Below are color-coded locations for optimal placement for all players.

Game Start Warding (w/ Vision Shard)


Early & Mid-Game Warding


After your first back or two, you'll probably want to buy some Wards, since they last longer and have slightly longer range than the Vision Shard. More importantly, they allow you to place 2 wards at a time, expanding your vision of the map. Below are color-coded locations for pairs of wards depending on your aggressiveness in-lane.


Duo Lane Warding

Mid Lane Warding

Solo Lane Warding

Jungler / Objective Warding


Late-Game Warding


As objectives start to crumble, the distance between safe areas becomes further and further away as you travel further from your base, opening up the game to more varied situations. Players will be less likely to be found in their starting lanes, and there will be teamfights aplenty. Warding during this time really helps your team coordinate attacks, or retreat in out-numbered situations.

Late-Game Warding



Awareness & Communication

A Conquest match can be very complex. Just considering yourself, you have to clear minion waves / camps, utilize abilities and mana in an efficient way, monitor gold to determine when to back, know build orders and how to counter-build, battle the enemy, watch out for other invaders trying to gank, etc. On top of all this, you have to realize that this is a map-wide struggle, and each of your teammates are going through the same thing!


Awareness


Maintaining general awareness of the various things going on in the game at any one time is thus a key aspect of gameplay. How can you expand your awareness beyond your own vicinity?

Besides relying on nearby wards pinging to notify you of enemy locations in the jungle, it's also important for you to use that nifty little mini-map in the top right corner of your screen...OFTEN. In fact, the general suggestion is:

Look at your minimap EVERY 5 SECONDS!

A quick glance can provide map awareness from your team's perspective, depending on the situation:
  • where your teammates are
  • where the minions are
  • timing for jungle / buff respawns
  • if enemies are contesting the same lane as a teammate
  • if enemies are alone or grouped up
  • if enemies are pushing an objective
However, if the enemy is out of the visual range of teammates, wards, and friendly minions/objectives, you won't know exactly where they are, making you and your teammates vulnerable to ganks and outnumbered situations. This is where team communication comes into play.


PC Communication Options


Typing to your team (start by pressing ENTER) can provide very specific details, but precious seconds are wasted while you stand still. There are two alternatives to typing.

The first communication option is using a chat program. SMITE has its own embedded system (which you can enable by going into Settings\Audio Tab and enabling in-game chat). Any people you're grouped with in a party (or if you're playing a ranked game) can use this feature.

You can also use a 3rd party program when playing with friends, including Discord, Steam, Teamspeak, and Mumble.


Of course, talking isn't always preferred. Sometimes it's a language barrier. Perhaps it's sleeping roommates/parents/children/significant others. Maybe you've run into one too many toxic players. Whatever the case, your communication options don't end there.

The second option is built directly into SMITE, and doesn't require any talking or lengthy typing. In fact, it can be the quickest, most efficient way to communicate with your team. This is where VGS (Voice Guided System) comes into play.


PC VGS System


For full details, check out the Wiki page: VGS: Smite Wiki


Pressing "V" initiates the VGS system. When the full command is inputted, not only does it list the command in chat for reading, but a preset voice audibly issues the statement, making it an immediately useful notification for teammates.

The various codes take some time to memorize, and even further time to become instinctual, but learning this system is key to effective teamwork. Not only can it gather teammates to efficiently take down objectives, but it can counter enemy strategies

The following are examples of extremely helpful commands in various situations...not all commands are covered here:

Common VGS Notifications


Console Communication Options & VGS


Microphones are generally very easy to obtain and set up, and it is highly, highly recommended to use them. Even if teammates aren't talking, it's very likely they can hear you.

XBox players also have an additional option to use a keyboard for chat. See Kitten of Doom's video below for a short tutorial.

XBox Keyboard Chat

As for the VGS system, as of Patch 5.3, it now has full VGS capabilities. Below are helpful visuals for both consoles for some of the main commands.

The full cheat-sheet for all consoles can be found HERE.

XBox VGS Commands

PlayStation VGS Commands



Tier Lists

Understand that tier lists are subjective. At the Pro level, god abilities and builds can be considered and analyzed almost to a science, but even at that level, things follow a trend. Trends (and the people that follow them!) can be fickle beasts, and each new game patch can alter the effectiveness of each god, item, build, etc.

The best way to consider a tier list may be as a general consideration of potential. Potential, though, depends not only on the god, but also on each player's skill level, the compositions of each team, and how well the teams work together.

At the casual level, then, there is a lot more leeway in everything. So, consult any tier list with discretion, but don't take it as gospel. Have fun, discuss with friends, and argue merits to your heart's content. That's part of what makes this game so fun!

2021/1/25: DukeSloth's Season 8 Tier List! ft. Flareb00t & Wraithyn!

2021/1/28: El Leon's SMITE SEASON 8 TIER LIST EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW



References & Definitions

YouTube Channels, References & Tools


Here are some helpful YouTube & Twitch channels of various players/streamers, as well as general references and tools:

YouTube Channels

Twitch Channels

General References & Tools



Abbreviations & Terms


Here is a list of some of the abbreviations / terms that are used in this guide:

Abbreviations & Terms



Conclusion

So that's it! Thanks for reading! I hope it's been helpful and enjoyable. Please feel free to provide feedback...let me know if you think any information is incorrect (objectively, not subjectively), or if I've missed some key information or topics (though, keep in mind that this is meant mostly as an overview, rather than providing very specific gameplay elements). I update this guide regularly, so you're welcome to check back frequently!

Peace!

Branmuffin17

The Overarching Series


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Credits

The original release was a collaborative project with input provided by multiple sources, including:



Post-Publishing Thanks
  • Didacted: S8 help with a large variety of topics

  • KingScuba (Super Moderator of the Official Smite Discord): Hawk eyes, expanding the lane minion section, other tips

  • Kriega1: variety of tips, build help, and general knowledge

  • Big damage: variety of tips, build help, and general knowledge

  • DukeSloth - Props for the guide, providing a slew of helpful videos for the general community, advising on hunter builds

  • Estidien (Salad): In-depth Jungler information for Season 4, and masterricu for general S4 feedback!

  • Daelinn: S3 gameplay videos as well as early review and feedback! Thanks also to Bullfrog323 and CakeSlapping for their reviews and additional feedback!

  • Duotem (SMITEFire & Reddit): In depth review and knowledge

  • Trilobyte15 (Reddit): Wide range of general tips

  • theghost28 (Reddit): Key points in the Solo role

  • Kelton The Great (Reddit): Minion spawn abilities affecting Towers, other details

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Change_main (2) | March 3, 2021 11:01am
on point as always bran amazing guide but i do have one delema and its small and a personal opinion but its baron and aphro you say baron is a good suport but aphro isint and i dont totaly disagree its just if you find baron suport wothy but not aphro is a little confusing only because yes baron has more cc then aphro but can easly miss hit healing and cc (unless its his ult) and if i had to chose between the two i would pick aphro because early game she wont be amazing but if she builds the right items she could be a relible suport its always botherd me they let baron be a suport but not aphro when she overall has the better kit when it comes to suport you give your alie movment speed with your kiss link and when you stun an enimy they get a deamege boost and your able to aply a slow from a futher range so when your jungler is ganking you just link on to them and stun an animy god and now your jungler has more movment speed and a damige increace and on top op it, you aply the slow and are able to heal and have acsess to your ult for emergencys and its ideal for ganking and once she gets rod of asypholis online the global brawling affect has less of that negitive impact and as long as the person your hooked up with is in a fight the brawling affect dosent even matter so in fights she is optimle. this could just be me because i used to play paragon and aphros kit is close ish to phase which was one of the supports so aphro support is really easy for me.
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Devampi (104) | March 4, 2021 1:01am
There are some big differences which is why baron is a strong support while afro is weaker.

the biggest thing is the way their healing works afro's Love Birds healing scales on power and is over time (which can more easily be outbursted than an instant heal or reduced by antiheal mid healing). meanwhile, baron's heal doesn;t scale well on power but using a 10% missing health. With how supports tend to build this provides baron with an immediate advantage for healing if going tanky (as squishy supports usually hurt the team more). combine this with the heal 1 person against the whole team potentially and baron wins it on that.

now the other problem for afro is that she is really reliant on her allies. Meaning that she does not do as much when she is solo ganking as it takes to much time to link up and without a link she is more worthless. baron does not suffer that problem.

as support, I would argue afro is actually better early game before the roaming era starts for supports as she and her adc can outpoke and outsustain enemies at that point. you only need to be very careful against an all in duo lane.
This all has to do with her not healing as much late game because she is not building a lot of power. after boots and Lotus Crown her strength start dropping considerably as she will be building more tanky and antiheal comes online.
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Big damage (23) | March 3, 2021 2:37pm
When you're looking for a Support you're looking for exactly that. Someone who can Support your carries by taking hits, CC to provide set up or peel, other buffs to allies, etc.

Baron right off the bat brings to the table Baron's Brew which is a chalice of multi potions that are better than multi potions for the cost of 3 of them. Indirectly this already provides a help to his allies.

Baron's 1, is decent early lane clear and provides a 30% attack speed debuff to enemies. This is super useful for clearing and also boxing early with your ADC. Nothing over the top in terms of support but even some Guardians have worse abilities that only provide damage and no utility (Artio 1, ***bha 1).

Before we get into Baron's 2, we'll go to his 3. This is a simple root for his combo, if hit it can set up for your allies or it can peel (albeit not as good as a stun or other hard CC) and then follow up with your 2. Your 2 takes the root peel and then provides sustain, slow immunity and movement speed peel to your nearby allies. The heal on this is nuts too, increasing the lower your health is, it also applies to all nearby allies so you can give Lotus Crown proc to 5 people in 1 ability.

Obviously the ult speaks for itself, peel or set up CC with a huge amount of damage.

The main thing with these abilities is that aside from the 1, none of them need magical power/pen to be effective in terms of Support. The CC still CC's, the slow immune/movement speed still work, the heal has stupid low scaling and the ult has decent base damage plus 10% of the targets MAX health.

Aphrodite on the other hand (I'll keep hers shorter) has a tether to allies and if she uses it to peel or set up then she can't heal another ally after a decent cooldown, limiting her sustain AND CC use. Her 2 has a knockback on HERSELF providing no CC to allies unless she was cuddling them. Her 3 heals sure, but requires a lot of power to even be an effective heal; Lotus Crown is nice sure but unlike Baron it only can be applied to yourself and ONE other ally.

The only real decent support she has is her ultimate, giving someone beads/aegis when they need it. But a single ability does not make up for the complete lack of a support synergistic kit. Her kit is designed to peel for herself, and the tank that is protecting her if they get in trouble. Baron you can build lots of defence and feel good because of the reasons above, you can get 3 maximum defence items on Aphro before you're struggling, and even then you can't take hits and frontline for your carries.

Edit: I forgot to mention Aphro's passive (prots for nearby allies+enemies) which still doesn't redeem her because as I stated before her kit is designed to peel for herself in a teamfight, not others.
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Branmuffin17 (336) | March 3, 2021 4:20pm
This is a great and much more complete summary of Baron's viability over Aphro. Problem also is if you're trying to argue Aphro has some features that are better than Baron, you're comparing to the wrong god. For Aphro to be more legitimate, she should be compare6d to some of the more traditional Supps where it becomes much more apparent that she's sort of lacking in some key features.
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Kriega1 (121) | March 3, 2021 2:40pm
Baron isn't really a good frontline either. On his release he was support viable cause he had more utility + busted numbers + ult tankiness.
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Kriega1 (121) | March 3, 2021 11:59am
Neither Baron or Aphro are good supports
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Change_main (2) | March 3, 2021 12:10pm
not that your entirely wrong i personly disagree a good aphro compared to a good ***ba or cuthulu the gardians do win but most suports tend to be verry average evening it out if your a solid aphro
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Branmuffin17 (336) | March 3, 2021 11:28am
I get the Aphro love. She does have some redeeming qualities that are helpful in a support type role. I acknowledge the heal (obviously), the buff from the Kiss, and her ult giving Beads + Aegis is also nice. She does have a quick stun in the kiss, and a slight knockback, but that's about it for CC. So why is Baron considered a better Support?

Although you're right that he can somewhat easily miss his healing and his 3, hitting his 3 has much stronger CC than anything in Aphro's kit. Then you add in the ult, which is much stonger peel, and just the CC by itself makes him a better support option.

Later game, his heal has more utility compared to Aphro...if he picks up Lotus Crown, for example, he can not only heal but apply added prots to multiple nearby teammates. Aphro doing the same thing can only give it to her and her mate. And also he can affect multiple enemies with his ult in a teamfight.

His kit is just more flexible. When people know what they're doing, they can shut down most of Aphro's function with just anti-heal. And since she's only got 2 damaging abilities (Baron has 4), she's not really a good offensive threat either. I know that when people see Aphro in support, she's a first gank target pretty much always.

This doesn't mean you can't make her work, but I would say general opinion is that Aphro is just not a suggested Support in general.
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Change_main (2) | March 3, 2021 11:39am
yes her erly game tends to be weak but her late/mid work well its just one of those things to agree to dissagree like pele mid or chang'e solo
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MrDuck | February 28, 2021 2:49am
Damn this is a good guide.
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Archon1234 | February 26, 2021 6:45am
do you think that maybe heavenly wings could be good on artimiss?
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Branmuffin17 (336) | February 26, 2021 12:57pm
She CAN get some good effect from it...any god can benefit if the difference is life or death, or a kill secure or the enemy getting away, from the MS boost you get from the item.

In addition, the upgrade provides the Haste effect, which gives some great mobility when using basics, as long as you're connecting regularly on those basics to maintain the buff. For those that remember, Hastened Fatalis for a time was quite OP for most ADCs due to this function.

That said, it's not the best choice. In pretty much every game, Purification Beads is your priority #1 relic for survivability. The second option usually comes down to Aegis Amulet (for prevention of anticipated burst or executes), Magic Shell (upgraded for block stacks and the general health shield), and Blink Rune (rarely, for those very confident in her abilities and don't have the need for Aegis/Shell).
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Kriega1 (121) | February 26, 2021 1:54pm
Hastened only really becaome op on hunters when they added the pen to it, not really cause of the passive alone.
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Kriega1 (121) | February 26, 2021 6:49am
No
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San Pluto | February 6, 2021 1:29am
Hi, nice guide but what lane is aphro?
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Kriega1 (121) | February 6, 2021 5:44am
Mid lane. Don’t play her elsewhere, especially if you’re a beginner and/or new to Aphro.
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Big damage (23) | February 6, 2021 1:59am
I'm not the guide author but Aphrodite is primarily midlane, although can see some play in the Solo lane. I wouldn't suggest playing her in Support at all.
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Branmuffin17 (336) | February 6, 2021 2:25am
Hi San Pluto, thanks!

Aphrodite has been seen here and there in Support, Mid, and Solo. As a mage, her obvious location is Mid, but due to her strong self-healing (pre-Season 8) she's also done well in Solo. Since she can also heal a teammate she's linked to, she also seems to make sense in Support.

That said, her current most viable role is Mid.

She's not a strong Solo right now because of the Global Anti-Heal Aura which decreases healing by 30% when not fighting enemy gods. In addition, she has somewhat limited CC and no mobility, so she can be caught by the enemy Solo and/or a ganking Jungler.

The same reasoning applies in Support. No real mobility is a killer and when people see an Aphro in Supp, that lane often turns into a gank lane.

Overall, don't suggest playing her right now, but if you do, go for Mid, play it safe near your tower, and wait until mid-game when you'll start grouping up with your Supp or Jungler and can link to them.
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Greenevers (105) | February 3, 2021 9:27pm
briefly looked over this, wow it's so amazing you've kept this up to date so thoroughly! the new map reminds me of beta with the heavy fog and big/open jungle. there's obviously quite a few changes along with the new map for me to really know what's going on, but the fact that jungle camps are hostile now sucks D:
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Branmuffin17 (336) | February 4, 2021 12:45am
Thanks Green!

I believe they actually toned down the fog for S8 to some degree. But yeah, so many different changes. I think people actually enjoy that the jungle camps are hostile now...for a long time, Jung camps were just basic and boring.
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Greenevers (105) | February 4, 2021 3:17pm
I've been watching videos, maybe they changed the fogs since then? thats true it adds some more life and is kinda cool actually. but ik it makes it a tad harder to sneak around in enemy jungle :P
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Big damage (23) | February 2, 2021 10:03am
*Asking for Kriega or Devs opinion.

On your first conquest map there is a 'Legend' marker for the Pyromancer but there isn't one present on the map, I'm unsure if this is intended or not but just checking.

I'm unsure if this is intended on their part but now the Yellow and Blue are also aggressive to players. This could be a bug though so see if it is reverted in 8.2 because they never mentioned this change in patch notes.

Just a personal touch but on the Greater Scorpion enhanced buffs I would put in brackets the total of stats to clarify for the reader; e.g. Enhanced Mana Buff: Increases CDR bonus by an additional 10% (total 20%), and provides 10% increased maximum Mana.

The link to "can't fight this feeling" is hilarious.

*I still think the hunter builds need some work. There doesn't feel like there is enough attack speed unless you're playing someone with a steroid. But instead of throwing a load of different builds into this huge comment I think it would be better to talk about it with you, Kriega and Dev in some replies. They might even disagree and show that I'm incorrect.

Manikin Scepter is included at the start of the hunter builds but not in the starting items list. It's a high use item at the moment for magical ADCs, Izanami and a couple others.

Bluestone Pendant isn't available to Mage ADCs because it has physical power.

It's difficult to see the numbers 3 and 5 in the lane for the ADC starting guide. Maybe change the colour from green to purple or orange (purple for void buff, orange for hunter symbol).

I would put Izanami as an ADC splitpusher. Her 1 and base autos can shred towers easily and if you use her dash the same way you invis as Loki getting away can be easy. In this regard split pushing could also have sneaking objectives as a sub topic because all of these gods can do that really well too with some lifesteal.

Also not really necessary but in the ADC split pushing I would add that minions in tower range will reduce the backdoor protections making it easier to take the tower instead of just mentioning they will take tower shots.

Consider Blink Rune as a relic for hunters along with beads, beads aegis and shell. This can also be applied to mid but I haven't got that far yet.

I would remove Breastplate of Valor as a support item and put in Pridwen. People build this early fairly often like boots > thebes > pridwen or something along those lines. In the same category I would Swap Genji's Guard for Shogun's Kusari.

Protector Of The Jungle is actually the more viable option between that and Seer Of The Jungle. Perhaps also add that the main use of Eye Of The Jungle is invading camps to gain vision of the enemy jungle, and therefore being useful on gods like Bakasura.

Loki no longer has split pushing potential with his decoy since the rework so that should be removed.

Incon suggested that on someone like Anubis and probably Hades too if you're going Bancroft's Talon it's better to skip the starter because of its lack of power and lifesteal early and just picking up Sacrificial Shroud later. Maybe note instead that it's a great Guardian/Mage solo lane item for prots and defence and level 1. Edit: I saw you put it under Solo builds so nevermind.

I would consider Jormungandr to be a staple solo laner and not a flex pick.

Final point which is a big one ish. For the Carry roles section there are example builds for a few types, then Support has recommended items to an extent. Jungle, Mid and Solo don't even have items recommended aside from starters or am I missing something? Of course builds for these roles aren't as black and white as ADC builds are but you could have it along the lines of:

Jungle itemisation - Standard(burst assassin items) / Auto Attack / Magical

Mid itemisation - Standard(burst mage items) / Lifesteal / Physical

Solo itemisation - Defence / Damage / Counters

This could also be applied to the support like - Defence / Utility / Counters

Putting myself in the shoes of a reader that has never played conquest before, I read through it all and I think "well I have a good idea of how to build items for ADC and Support, I'll just play those 2 even though the other ones sound cool".

*If you decide to go for doing this to the guide, we can always talk about what items are necessary if you're stuck, or Kriega and Dev might have a better idea of how to categorise the items, I just came up with that on the spot.
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Branmuffin17 (336) | February 2, 2021 3:31pm
I'm...going to need to read this a bit later. That's a ton of excellent feedback and I really appreciate. As an FYI, I'm not touching Jungle / Mid / Solo itemization. I feel those have the most variation (arguable for mid though). I think it would be tough to cover all of the different ways you might start and counter build in Solo with all the various types of gods that are played there.

I talked in official Smite Discord with Kriega and Malcaster, and then off to the side with Didacted, and there's a reason I simplified the relics for all of the different roles. Even though I can see niche use of something like Wings for ADCs (haste effect at their discretion for use), many of them didn't like to see that. While Blink IS viable for some mid and ADCs, it's not that common and for newer players looking to this guide, it's probably best to steer them to the most functional, universal relics for those roles. I can chat more with you on this if you'd like.

Didacted in particular feels Jorm is flex, and not the strongest pick in Solo. I'm okay with him in either location.

The other points...will try to incorporate everything soon, and / or come back with further comments later. Again, really appreciate your feedback Biggie!
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Branmuffin17 (336) | February 3, 2021 12:28pm
Alright, further discussion, want to hear others' thoughts too on some of these.
  • LOL good catch on the Pyro. Fixed.

  • Part of me has the same feeling about AS on those ADC builds. That said, these builds have a lot of influence from Kriega, Malcaster, Didacted, etc. I think right now a lot of people are really valuing Dominance, which is taking priority over The Executioner for main penetration, at least in being built earlier. In addition, some other considerations...with Gilded Arrow and Leather Cowl providing AS (esp in the upgrades), and builds being shortened due to the starter upgrades, it's hard to fit in items like Silverbranch Bow and Odysseus' Bow. Fail-Not is still being highly valued as well, in a variety of builds. So I think we've been used to very high AS builds, but things are settling down a bit on that stat. I really want to keep an eye on the builds and continue tweaking them, as I'm not 100% happy with them.

    In the first example build, I could perhaps do a Dom OR Exe in the Dom spot, which would help base AS if you go Exe. Exe is interesting right now, because it's got good potential, but taking 4 hits to fully stack, I think people are still just preferring the immediate effect from Dom.

  • I screwed up in the Bluestone Pendant part. For mages I meant Sands of Time.

  • I wasn't sold on Manikin's for Carry due to the lack of sustain, but I do see it being used selectively. Had a hell of a time as Medusa last night in early lane against an Iza. Used it myself as Sol, and just replaced it late game, and it felt good. Adding with notation.

  • No offense but I've made so many maps in the last few days that I can't be ***ed to redo the ADC starting process right now. I do agree the 3 and 5 are a bit more difficult to see, but I still see them enough to the point that I'm gonna leave for now. Good suggestion though.

  • Iza notated as split-pusher. I haven't updated that section in forever.

  • Can't remember the last time I picked up BoV as Supp. Almost always pick up Prid. Good suggestion. Same for Shogun's. I personally don't like Genji that much.

  • Acknowledged and adjusted on Vamp Shroud / Bancroft rushing.
Also did some stuff based on Kriega's recommendations below. Thanks again guys.
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Kriega1 (121) | February 2, 2021 3:37pm
Maybe put a note explaining why / when blink can be used (maybe just for mid), also probably mention that Shell would usually be considered over Aegis (if shell is needed), while Beads is pretty much considered a must every game.

E.g. on my (outdated) mid build guide, I said: "While standard relics in Mid tend to be Purification Beads and Aegis Amulet (or Magic Shell instead of Aegis into certain matchups / team comps), on some characters in some matches you can consider going Blink Rune instead of Aegis Amulet if the god you're using can get away with it as an offensive relic and uses it well in fights (though it is more niche / risky and would only really be ideal if you're familiar with the character), the main examples being He Bo, Scylla, Chang'e, Janus, Anubis."
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DarkonSA | January 31, 2021 5:27pm
2 Comments:
1) Loved it, I notice a lot of adcs just wiping out lesser scorps while their supports are low health...very annoying.
2) Starting meta seems to be stabilizing as jg+solo do speed, 2 camps on way to blue then blue
THIS IS Great entering lane at level 2.
Mid + adc does red while support starts/finishes void, they dont get the benafit of level 2 lane entry. in either case I'd recommend you add this blurb (appropriately rephrased)
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Branmuffin17 (336) | January 31, 2021 6:11pm
Hi Darkon, thanks for the comments.

As a note, I already have all of the starts described just as you've stated, in each of the roles' chapters.
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Revenant7755 (1) | January 31, 2021 6:12am
Hi, What is the difference between Manker's mace and Bumba's hammer, and which type of jungler would each item be for?
Also do we keep the starters or replace them afterward? You didn't mention anything about that in your hunter builds
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Kriega1 (121) | January 31, 2021 6:36am
For Current patch, mostly AA junglers that abuse manakins (Erlang, Nem, Kali, Osiris etc...) go manakins, ability junglers usually will go bumba's I think (except for some like Mercury who might need bumba's early for sustain). I've seen eye of jungle on both, but usually on gods with self sustain in their kit.
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Revenant7755 (1) | January 31, 2021 7:16am
Ty sorry I posted another question right after you put down your answer
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Branmuffin17 (336) | January 29, 2021 12:25pm
S8 update is WIP, will continue publishing as I complete chapters. You're welcome to review and comment on whatever's currently available; appreciated!
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Archon1234 | January 29, 2021 11:17am
what is your in game name
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Archon1234 | January 29, 2021 5:26am
also what is HoG?
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Kriega1 (121) | January 29, 2021 5:44am
Hand of the God’s consumable. Don’t think the jungler needs it this season though.
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Archon1234 | January 29, 2021 5:18am
i have found PART of a build that could be helpful. the full bow set. atlanta's bow, silverbranch bow, the third bow and odysseus's bow. this bassicly triples your attack speed, plus it has the lighting bonus, which is when you use basic attacks, it could pass lighting on to another enemy. it's ok in conquest, but arena is where it shines through. i had slower characters in mind like Nemisis, but faster characters can use as well. for consumables, elixer of speed, defintitly. the two slots left i'm working, but i'm open to suggestions. i also haven't figured out the relics, but i'm thinking heavenly wings + phantom veil/aegis amlet. a downfall of this is that it only works on physical characters.
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Archon1234 | January 29, 2021 7:12am
not the elixer. the two slots could go to executioner and berserkers for a damage bonus, or ninja tabi and talari boots for more movement speed. wards and potions instead.
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Archon1234 | January 29, 2021 7:15am
i'll have to try them both to see which is better. the katana set is good too. better (but not as good as bow set.) attack speed + more damage
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Kriega1 (121) | January 29, 2021 5:41am
Atalanta’s is bad in Season 8. For relics on Nemesis you want blink and beads.
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Archon1234 | January 29, 2021 5:56am
atalanta isn't bad. maybe by itself, but not with the other bows. also, for relics, i wanted to boost her speed while alo granting some escape options. how i know is i've played this set
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