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Medusa - Getting Everyone Stoned (S8, All Modes, Patch 8.7, "Mid-Season")

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by Branmuffin17 updated July 13, 2021

Smite God: Medusa

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Medusa Build

Starting Items (Arrow-Crit Build)

Notes This start uses Gilded Arrow, which provides some mana sustain and a situational boost to attack speed. It helps with gold gain and you'll build into Ornate Arrow for a good base of crit chance.

Notes

This start uses Gilded Arrow, which provides some mana sustain and a situational boost to attack speed. It helps with gold gain and you'll build into Ornate Arrow for a good base of crit chance.

Build Item Gilded Arrow Gilded Arrow
Build Item Spiked Gauntlet Spiked Gauntlet
Build Item Healing Potion Healing Potion
3
Build Item Mana Potion Mana Potion

Arrow-Crit Build Example (Replace Tabi Late)

Notes Shown Build Attack Speed: 2.02 AS without Viper Shot, max 2.5 with Viper Shot activated.

This build example upgrades Gilded Arrow into Ornate Arrow (upgrade when you hit level 20), allowing you to build for strong crit function.

Wind Demon can be purchased before The Executioner if preferred.

For the last item, Poisoned Star is shown. However, if you need anti-heal, Shadowsteel Shuriken) is an option.

Notes

Shown Build Attack Speed: 2.02 AS without Viper Shot, max 2.5 with Viper Shot activated.

This build example upgrades Gilded Arrow into Ornate Arrow (upgrade when you hit level 20), allowing you to build for strong crit function.

Wind Demon can be purchased before The Executioner if preferred.

For the last item, Poisoned Star is shown. However, if you need anti-heal, Shadowsteel Shuriken) is an option.

Build Item Ornate Arrow Ornate Arrow
Build Item Devourer's Gauntlet Devourer's Gauntlet
Build Item The Executioner The Executioner
Build Item Wind Demon Wind Demon
Build Item Deathbringer Deathbringer
Build Item Poisoned Star Poisoned Star

Starting Items (Bluestone-Qin's Anti-Tank Build)

Notes This build uses an early Bluestone Pendant for added ability damage and sustain. It builds into an early Ichaival for high power and boxing potential without the need to stack.

Without Devourer's Gauntlet, you'll pick up Asi for lifesteal.

Notes

This build uses an early Bluestone Pendant for added ability damage and sustain. It builds into an early Ichaival for high power and boxing potential without the need to stack.

Without Devourer's Gauntlet, you'll pick up Asi for lifesteal.

Build Item Bluestone Pendant Bluestone Pendant
Build Item Short Bow Short Bow
Build Item Healing Potion Healing Potion

Bluestone-Qin's Anti-Tank Build Example

Notes Shown Build Attack Speed: 1.83 AS without Viper Shot, max 2.5 with Viper Shot activated.

This build example upgrades Bluestone Pendant into Bluestone Brooch (upgrade when you hit level 20), which provides strong anti-tank function when combined with Qin's Sais and high penetration.

The 6th item is optional; Titan's Bane is shown here to get max penetration possible.

Notes

Shown Build Attack Speed: 1.83 AS without Viper Shot, max 2.5 with Viper Shot activated.

This build example upgrades Bluestone Pendant into Bluestone Brooch (upgrade when you hit level 20), which provides strong anti-tank function when combined with Qin's Sais and high penetration.

The 6th item is optional; Titan's Bane is shown here to get max penetration possible.

Build Item Bluestone Brooch Bluestone Brooch
Build Item Ichaival Ichaival
Build Item Asi Asi
Build Item The Executioner The Executioner
Build Item Qin's Sais Qin's Sais
Build Item Titan's Bane Titan's Bane

Relics to Consider

Notes These two relics should be your standard pickups in every match, with little exception.

Purification Beads is your default 1st relic for almost all situations, countering all enemy CC.

Aegis Amulet is a situational 1st or 2nd relic option to counter burst damage or executions that you can anticipate (e.g. Scylla, Poseidon, Thanatos).

Notes

These two relics should be your standard pickups in every match, with little exception.

Purification Beads is your default 1st relic for almost all situations, countering all enemy CC.

Aegis Amulet is a situational 1st or 2nd relic option to counter burst damage or executions that you can anticipate (e.g. Scylla, Poseidon, Thanatos).

Build Item Purification Beads Purification Beads
Build Item Aegis Amulet Aegis Amulet

Medusa's Skill Order Notes Acid Spray is your main wave-clear ability, and it is prioritized first of the main skills.

Lacerate should typically be leveled at 2, then not touched until later levels, as it's more important for mobility than damage.

Viper Shot is the second priority for the increased AS and added damage.

Generally level Petrify whenever it's available, as it has significant, increasing damage and slow.

Notes

Acid Spray is your main wave-clear ability, and it is prioritized first of the main skills.

Lacerate should typically be leveled at 2, then not touched until later levels, as it's more important for mobility than damage.

Viper Shot is the second priority for the increased AS and added damage.

Generally level Petrify whenever it's available, as it has significant, increasing damage and slow.

Viper Shot

1 X Y
Viper Shot
3 8 11 12 14

Acid Spray

2 A B
Acid Spray
1 4 6 7 10

Lacerate

3 B A
Lacerate
2 15 16 18 19

Petrify

4 Y X
Petrify
5 9 13 17 20
Viper Shot
3 8 11 12 14

Viper Shot

1 X
Medusa gains increased attack speed and her basic attacks become augmented, shooting Vipers that poison the targets hit dealing damage over time.

Ability Type: Buff
Damage: 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 (+10% of your Physical Power) every 0.5s for 1.5s per charge
Attack Speed Increase: 40 / 50 / 60 / 70 / 80%
Viper Shots: 4
Cost: 50 / 55 / 60 / 65 / 70
Cooldown: 10s
Acid Spray
1 4 6 7 10

Acid Spray

2 A
Medusa hurls back and spits out acid that damages the first enemy hit and sprays out acid in a cone behind them. Acid Spray will explode on statues Medusa has created.

Ability Type: Line
Damage: 90 / 140 / 190 / 240 / 290 (+80% of your Physical Power)
Range: 45
Cost: 60 / 65 / 70 / 75 / 80
Cooldown: 14s
Lacerate
2 15 16 18 19

Lacerate

3 B
Medusa quickly slithers forward, rooting and slashing the first enemy god she encounters. The slash leaves the enemy god reeling in pain, rooting them for 1s and reducing their healing for a short time.

Ability Type: Dash
Damage: 80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280 (+80% of your Physical Power)
Healing Reduction: 50% for 4s
Range: 55
Cost: 70
Cooldown: 15 / 14.5 / 14 / 13.5 / 13s
Petrify
5 9 13 17 20

Petrify

4 Y
Medusa removes her mask revealing her true face, delivering a powerful blast from her horrifying Gorgon gaze. Enemies take damage and are stunned if they are looking at Medusa. Enemies not looking at Medusa take 75% damage and are slowed. Enemy gods that are killed during Medusa's gaze will turn to a stone statue and remain behind as a reminder to others.

Ability Type: Cone
Damage: 300 / 400 / 500 / 600 / 700 (+100% of your Physical Power)
Stun Duration: 2s
Movement Speed Slow: 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40%
Slow Duration: 3s
Range: 70
Cost: 100
Cooldown: 90s

Introduction

Recent updates:

2021/7/13: Guide is current as of Patch 8.7, "Mid-Season." Boots items have been removed from the game. Builds updated accordingly.

Revision History


Duuuuude. W***suuuup? I'm Branmuffin17 (IGN Muffinman17), a SmiteFire admin and casual SMITE player on PC. Come check out my 420th fifth major recreational venture outside of my original project, The Overarching Assault Guide. I've created this guide specifically because I was jonesing to make my first hunter guide, and I saw some potential in her, as long as I could get her off the couch.

I'll assume you know the basic gist of gameplay in the various modes, so I won't be teaching or talking much about tickets, rotating, minions, ganja, etc., except in the direct context of Medusa's dank gameplay. If you want the deets on general info for these modes, I invite you to cruise on over to my other guides:

The
Overarching
Conquest Guide
The
Overarching
Arena Guide

For Conquest, you may find the ADC, Mid-Lane, and Warding chapters to be useful.

This is a work in progress, as it should be. Not saying anything about these being her only build options...this is just, like, my opinion, man. I'm always open to new ideas and different approaches.




Although Medusa is a Hunter whose arrows are definitely not blunt, she's a bit less reliant on basic attacks than some, and can be built with emphasis on either abilities or basic attacks.

As such, I'm offering multiple builds for various modes. My Devourer's Gauntlet builds focus on basic attack DPS and boxing as a standard ADC / Carry. My Transcendence builds can be used for either ADC or Mid roles, and focus on earlier and easier waveclear, with damage options centering either around Qin's Sais or crit items.


...... Strengths ......

+ Solid mid/late game damage
+ Sweet early minion wave clear
+ High teamfight potential
+ Can blitz enemies
+ High mobility
... Weaknesses ...

- Gets the mana munchies
- Needs good aim
- Escape can be blocked
- Squishy
- Lazy


Medusa is a capable pick in all game modes for general ADC / objective function, as well as for burst / AOE damage. Ready to go? Let's light it up!

Abilities

Passive:



Sidewinder
No movement penalty when side-strafing, and half of the movement penalty when moving backward.

Overview: This is a passive that requires no direct thought, but lends itself to making Medusa a more effective hotboxer. You will likely not see much benefit or effect except when building increased movespeed, such as through Wind Demon, or in conjunction with Atalanta's Bow, which also reduces movement penalties.
Skill #1:



Viper Shot
Medusa shoots out 4 vipers in rapid succession that poison the targets hit, dealing damage over time. CD 10 seconds. 10% scaling.



Leveling Priority: Max this 2nd.

General Use: Burst Damage

Overview: Her only built-in AS steroid, it adds a strong burst of damage when targeting an individual. Best to use earlier in the fight (due to ticking damage), and when you're able to confirm hits more easily (enemy is stunned from Lacerate, stoned from Petrify, or otherwise CCd from teammates' abilities).

Tip: Remember that you can trigger it early, and it won't activate until you start attacking. You can use it in the fountain for a free charge!
Skill #2:



Acid Spray
Medusa spits out acid that damages the first enemy hit, and sprays out acid in a cone behind them. It explodes on statues Medusa has created. CD 14 seconds. 80% scaling.



Leveling Priority: Max this first.

General Use: Wave clear / Teamfight Damage

Overview: This is your main source of damage against minion waves, allowing you to hit the entire line if you target the front minion in a wave. Provides good poke potential, as you can hit the minions and do equal damage to enemy gods from the cone spray if they are close and trying to shield themselves from other attacks.

Note that the range (45 units) is significantly less than your basic attack range (55).

Tip: If you want to be safe (location-wise), if you poke the enemy at the same time you hit the minion wave, you can backpedal while basic attacking, drawing some of the minions toward you for a short time, allowing you to clear the melee minions nearer your tower.
Skill #3:



Lacerate
Medusa quickly slithers forward, grabbing and slashing the first enemy god she encounters. The slash leaves the enemy god reeling in pain, rooting them for 1 second and reducing their healing by 50% for a short time. CD 15/14.5/14/13.5/13 seconds. 80% scaling.



Leveling Priority: Level this last.

General Use: Initiation / Escape / Lockdown / Anti-Heal

Overview: Offensively, you can use this to initiate and close the gap, or to catch a damaged, fleeing enemy...and you can do this through the minion wave.

Defensively, use it as an escape, but make sure you're not being blocked by an enemy god, or you'll be stopped.

Tip: Activate Viper Shot before initiating with Lacerate. After you connect, your shots will be significantly easier to confirm, adding extra damage with Viper's poison effect.
Ultimate:



Petrify
Medusa removes her mask, delivering a powerful blast. Enemies take damage and are stunned for 2 seconds if they are looking at her. Enemies not looking at her take 75% damage and are slowed (20/25/30/35/40%) for 3 seconds. Enemies that are killed by her gaze will turn into a stone statue and remain behind. 90 second CD. 100% scaling.



Leveling Priority: Level this as it becomes available.

General Use: Teamfight Damage / Crowd Control / Long-Range Finisher

Overview: Devastating if you catch enemies looking at you when it hits. Somewhat mediocre otherwise. Best to use in combo with your other abilities during a teamfight for burst function, or while being chased to freeze them and make an escape.

Secondary, emergency function against anticipated CC. The charge-up makes her immune for a short time, so it can be used (with perfect timing) to counter an ult like Ares' No Escape.

Tip: If you know enemies are approaching around a corner, you can preemptively charge Petrify. If you time it correctly, you'll pop into their view just as it activates, giving them very little time to react.

Ability Combos

Some hunters just look to get as many basic hits in as possible, especially when they pack a complete build. This Mary Jane has abilities that enhance or otherwise complement her hotboxing capability.

Her simplest combo with nothing else considered is Viper Shot activation, followed by Lacerate, and then bursting with the actual Viper Shot hits. Late-game when Viper Shot and attack speed is high (and especially with crit items), the burst potential is amazing.

In dangerous situations, you'll usually want to withhold Lacerate to use as a possible escape (or chase if the enemy is on the run). Also, Acid Spray isn't really a boxing ability that you use in combos...save it mostly for waveclear.

Below are some more in-depth combos.

With Petrify Up

With Petrify Down


Attack Canceling



All gods can usually utilize attack canceling to increase their potential DPS. Medusa is no exception. By using abilities in-between basic attacks, she can string together much quicker attacks.

Standard ADC & Trans Build Discussion

ADC builds based on Devourer's Gauntlet (without Transcendence) aim to make Medusa a strong basic-attack ADC in the vein of standard Hunters, with high DPS and strong structure / objective damage potential. Her early game will focus mostly on waveclear and safe poke damage. Her late game is when her power comes fully online, especially when comboing with abilities, to provide huge burst potential against squishy targets.

In Transcendence-based builds, we're often looking to create a hybrid hunter with a bit more focus on ability / burst damage. Trans provides high power, a huge mana pool, and some CDR, allowing for strong ability damage that provides quick wave-clear and the ability to push objectives, while never worrying about mana. These builds may also be used for Mid-Lane or Jungle roles.

The high power and physical attack nature allows Medusa to deal great objective damage, especially in comparison to most mages, but a delay in getting lifesteal compared to Devo's builds means you need to be careful with your health in the early/mid-game.

There are two points that need to be understood with any Transcendence build.

  1. Transcendence costs 300 gold more than its stacking counterpart, Devourer's Gauntlet.

  2. Lifesteal comes significantly later than a Devo's build, making early health sustain in-lane a challenge.
However, you make up for this with strong wave-clear and a very healthy mana pool, meaning you won't have any mana issues and can use your abilities without much fear of running out. The CDR can also be a positive factor.

ADC Synergies & Matchups

Support Synergies

ADC Matchups

Some Of My Guides



If you liked this guide, check out my other ones below!


The Overarching Series



The
Overarching
Assault Guide

The
Overarching
Conquest Guide



Individual God Guides



Bacchus:
An Alcoholic's Chugging Guide

Freya:
Pulsing to
the Beat

Ganesha:
Selflessly
Gifting Kills

Shifu Guan Yu:
The Battle
Master

Loki: The Backstabbing Bastard

Medusa: Getting Everyone Stoned

Conclusion

So that's it! If you like what I've done and how I try to improve the guide, anyone is welcome to suggest a god for me to work on next...and of course, I have to own them and/or want to play them =P but I'll let you know...

Thanks for reading, and I appreciate any and all comments, suggestions, etc. Feel free to add me/invite me if you want to play!

Brandon / PC IGN: Muffinman17

p.s. No, I'm not a stoner. That's Medusa. And maybe Swagni...but seriously, I'm not (not really), so if you have any suggestions where I can put in more funny references, let me know!!!

Credits

Thanks to the following people, for comments and contributing to the improvement of this guide:

  • Kriega1
  • DV-8
  • boogiebass
  • xZerostrike

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dopaminefarmer | April 21, 2021 4:27pm
literally rolling kids with sustain build ty <3
1
Branmuffin17 (358) | April 21, 2021 6:18pm
Excellent, Dopamine! Thanks for the comment!
1
Serabi | April 18, 2021 4:25pm
item selection is just bad in the current meta. missing 1 or 2 key items to really make these builds work
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Branmuffin17 (358) | April 18, 2021 5:20pm
Hi Serabi,

I give several build types based on different starters and with different functions (Qin's or crits typically). I have multiple build examples for both Trans and Devo's (and one without either). All of my builds include a strong pen item, the Qin's builds have generally high AS to support the passive, and the crit builds generally provide reliable crit chance, with the exception being the Arrow + Fail-Not option (but crit chance is supported there with the Ornate upgrade).

I know Odysseus' Bow is a popular item option for ADCs right now, but my consideration for not having that as a build option is for 2 reasons:
  • Medusa deals damage in all 4 of her abilities, and her scaling is generally pretty good to want power in her item options.

  • Acid Spray, while it deals AOE, is in a fairly narrow cone so isn't guaranteed to hit multiple enemies in a teamfight. It is much more commonly used for minion clear + poke rather than as a single-target ability, so O-Bow isn't as appealing for that function. Yes, O-Bow is nice to deal damage to multiple targets in a teamfight, but her single-target burst damage w/ Viper Shot and Lacerate is going to be more of her focus IMO.
Which "item selections" are "just bad"? Can you please elaborate with some explanations, and perhaps provide some alternate builds?
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Big Damage (33) | April 18, 2021 9:37pm
Especially on Medusa I think going:

Gilded Arrow > Ninja Tabi > Devourer's Gauntlet > The Executioner />/ Qin's Sais > Titan's Bane* > Diamond Arrow > Swap boots for Odysseus' Bow / Toxic Blade / alternative is the best

Titan's can be swapped for Dominance for its mana sustain however you don't get the extra pen on Qin's procs plus the bonus pen is great for your ult and your 2. Also if you got that far without mana sustain, needing it for the last 10 mins of a game is unlikely.
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Kriega1 (126) | August 28, 2020 2:04pm
No Silverbranch in Qins builds?
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Branmuffin17 (358) | August 28, 2020 5:19pm
Honestly I don't feel it's worth building into silver for a passive power boost based on 4 shots from Viper. I don't mind getting close to max AS without the steroid and overcapping temporarily, but with her flexible and hybrid nature, I feel other items would have more overall benefit and utility than getting a bit more power for a short time.
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Kriega1 (126) | August 28, 2020 5:23pm
4 shots is still pretty decent, plus the item is cheap, with good base stats. Plus you get the bonus power from the stim being active for your spit and ult without needing to consume the stim autos yet, just have it active.
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Kriega1 (126) | March 25, 2020 3:42am
I don't think Beatstick fits that well into a "Crit" build like you mention, especially when going Trans Crit. Beatstick fits in a build something like: Ninja > Trans > Asi / Beatstick (both, but in either order), Exe > Qins > Sell boots for Titan's.

I see Heartseeker in one of your mid, crit builds, why? If anything heartseeker would fit better in ability based builds. E.g. Ninja > Trans > Crusher > Heartseeker > Titans' > O-Bow > Bloodforge.

Also I don't recommend Fail-Not at all right now, even Malice is probably better. Should stick to Rage + DB for crit at the moment.

And why no O-Bow anywhere? Yeah Ichaival has slightly better single target dps, but O-Bow passive offers good AoE shred in any teamfight modes, is cheaper, and has good synergy with Titan's Bane, and the Ichaival Attack speed slow is only situationally useful if you're being dived by AA gods. The AA reduction passive isn't really relevant lategame against the enemy adc, as your primary target isn't the ADC, therefore leaving it's main usefulness against the enemy ADC during laning phase.

Also not sure Phantom pickup even situationally would be necessary as Odin's cage walls can be broken now.
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Chunkdawg | February 4, 2020 5:35am
This has to easily be the best guide title I have read so far.
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Branmuffin17 (358) | February 4, 2020 8:58am
Hahahaha thanks Chunk.
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FootFetish (4) | June 14, 2019 7:30am
Hi!
do you think ability based medusa is as good as basic attack based? because everytime i play her i build transcendence, crusher, etc. and it works pretty well, but i want to know your opinion! x
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Branmuffin17 (358) | June 14, 2019 11:00am
Hi Footsie,

Uh...like usual for me, TL;DR.

So...firstly, context. Do you TRULY mean "ability-based" as in some of my builds that also go into further CDR like Jotunn's/SE? Or do you just mean the build I have listed for the Mid-lane, just considering Transcendence in general? That's important to know how to approach the question.

For now, I'm going to base my bigger response on the standard concept of just going with Trans instead of Devo's in a Conquest match, but for a quicker comment on a more official ability base (with at least 2 CDR items and The Crusher)...I do like her ability-based, but the most I'd generally recommend is hybrid in general, not true ability based with no AS other than say The Crusher. You can pull off full ability in Arena if you want, but past that, with any objectives like towers in other modes, you just lose so much DPS potential and outside of her ult, her only real ability poke potential is only easily connected with minions present. Harder to hit Acid Spray on a moving target, when the spray also relies on how you line up with the enemy and others behind them.

For Conquest, in the respect of considering Transcendence, I will say I've been using mostly the Devo's route in recent games, but that I might change this based on recent experience. Ever since the buff to Asi, I've really liked the Trans route. Never any mana issues, and a bit of CDR is helpful for all of her ability use. But since I've been starting to play Ranked, I've been more concerned with early health sustain, hence going Devo's. But in that early stage, with somewhat low DPS/basic attack damage, the lifesteal isn't all that big either.

The other concern is cost. Trans being 300 gold more really starts pushing me to want to finish Tabi before I complete Trans, and with DPS efficiency, Warrior Tabi would be the better earlier choice. But in general I prefer Ninja Tabi, so if I choose that, I'm going to sacrifice some early damage. All depends on how the match is going early, and how much threat of gank and mobility the enemy has.

Anyway, the strongest aspect I see a Devo's route having right now is that you get the need for power and lifesteal out of just that early item. This allows you, say, if you're Xbal or Cern or Jing, to pick up that early Odysseus' Bow (as people have been doing lately), which means you can just use basics to clear the wave. This then allows you to save all of your abilities for poke and boxing. Cuz Cern, for example, has additional root/CC function in his main wave-clear ability ( Bramble Blast. It's best when you have it available for boxing.

Medusa, though, is different. Again, Acid Spray is best for wave-clear. It's less reliable as a poke/burst ability unless those minions are there, and again, the right angle and distance is needed to confirm that damage. So she's likely going to use the ability for wave clear, meaning she's not as suited to going O-Bow. Her better direction then, IMO, is Trans/Ninja/Asi.

This also frees her up to use Viper Shot more often for regular clear/objective purposes without fear of running out of mana.

So in the end, yeah, I think I like the Trans route conceptually better for Medusa. To help with the lack of early health sustain, a couple extra Health Potions should work okay.

Does this answer your question?
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oOGabiOo (1) | April 10, 2019 2:17am
I either have awful luck or you have no idea how to build for arena because I can't win a single game with any of your builds.
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DownToEarth (7) | April 13, 2019 4:15pm
Bran has the best Medusa build on this site, but they can be a little complex. I made one for lower ranks (Seeing as that's what I am depending who I'm playing with). It's got at least 2 builds that should work in most Joust/Arena matches if you would like to try it out.
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Branmuffin17 (358) | April 13, 2019 5:08pm
I think this Gabi person might be a troll. Only 2 comments and they're both very negative without being informative.
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Branmuffin17 (358) | April 10, 2019 7:34am
Lol it's possible!

I'd like to ask if you've tried all of them, chosen the right one for the enemy comp, and kept in mind you can build lifesteal sooner if you prefer? Can you link the games?

What is or would be your normal build for her?
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Gary169 (7) | April 10, 2019 7:30am
oOGabiOo wrote:
I either have awful luck or you have no idea how to build for arena because I can't win a single game with any of your builds.

None of the above. You likely lack the skill to actually play this game properly.
Instead of saying Branmuffin can not build (I assure you, he knows how to build), how about you ask some constructive questions so he can help improve your Medusa gameplay?

Judging by how you commented, you are probably a troll and will not bother to respond to me.
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Kriega1 (126) | September 28, 2018 5:58am
Makes no sense to get Trans 6th on Medusa for ADC.

Anyway, onto mid builds. For the first build, you going with Qins first over Executioner im guessing that you're relying on the other ADC to be a hunter and to get executioner first for Gold Fury/Pyromancer etc... Otherwise I strongly recommend you get executioner first. (Note: Please add objective protection removal as a reason for getting Exe first)

Second Mid build I would ideally get Rage before Executioner, Asi last isn't the best but I don't see another place for it unless you want to delay executioner. Could maybe swap Asi for Bloodforge but that depends if enemy team has thorns/nemian etc....

For the third build you may as well get executioner over titan's bane. In that case I would also swap ninja for warrior tabi.

A ADC build with crit could also be possibly listed. Either (Rage/DB/PS) and/or (PS/WD/DB).

Lastly for the 1st arena build I would get Rage before executioner and for both builds it's better to rush Devourers/Trans first item. Also would swap crusher and jotunns around for second build, especially since you went with Titan's Bane.
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Branmuffin17 (358) | September 28, 2018 10:42am
Alright...let's see. (Also, initial thanks for taking the time to check the update)
  • Transcendence late: I understand where you're coming from with the concept of Trans late. That said, I feel saying it makes "no" sense is a bit of an overstatement. Late-game, she'll be level 20. This means if the only mana she gets is from Ninja Tabi, she'll have a total of 1,034. That's not bad, but if she's out and using abilities for extended times away from the fountain, that can be depleted...so the mana Trans provides can help.

    Also, upon purchase, Trans at 0 stacks with her at 20 provides 10% CDR, 300 mana, a bit of MP5, and 75 power. I wouldn't say 10% CDR (more ults, Viper Shots, and Lacerates in fights) isn't nice. Stacks are easy to get, but even with 0 stacks, it's very functional. Yes, other options (depending on what you choose 5th) bring different utility, but I just don't see how this cannot be considered. Would like to hear your thoughts.

  • I mostly didn't touch the mid builds in this initial update...was focusing heavily on ADC. I was also thinking Qin's for 1v1. I acknowledge that's not optimal, especially for mid, where you'll be exposed to more people, you'll be responsible more for jungle objectives, and where the jungler (often physical) will also be fighting by your side and will appreciate the Exe protection reductions. Changing Exe/Qin's order, and will add commentary on prot reduction for jungle objectives. Thanks for pointing this out.

  • Mid 2nd Build: Agreed on Rage before Exe. As for Asi, yeah, can again consider Bloodforge in that spot (like I did in my one Mid adjustment, in changing Asi to BF in the FIRST example build). I do talk about getting Asi earlier if needed, or optionally BF late if Asi wasn't purchased first...see how I've written that in the notes for the 1st mid build. I'll make sure that same comment is added for the 2nd notes.

  • Mid 3rd Build: Yeah, for the 3rd build, I can do that. I do think the current build isn't bad, but the power curve and Qin's effectiveness is a bit awkward.

  • Crit ADC: I can throw in a crit build just because. I did do a hard turn in switching fully over from crits to Qin's. I'll just put it up for those that want that build direction.

  • Arena: Again agreed, will switch Rage and The Executioner for the first build. As for 2nd, I like the idea of rushing full CDR for as many ults as quickly as possible. I WILL switch The Crusher and Titan's Bane, though.
Thanks Kriega.
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Branmuffin17 (358) | September 27, 2018 5:14pm
Builds updated for Patch 5.18. Would appreciate views and comments if you have any.

Changed base ADC build from crits to Qin's/AS/pen. It's the more common build path for her right now, and is also great against objectives.

I've separated into core items (Devo, Tabi, Ichaival (optional bridge), Exe, Qin's) and now provide several options to consider for the last 2 slots. They are all functional and bring different things to the table, though some are more niche/situational (Atalanta, Silverbranch, Trans, etc.).
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boogiebass (46) | September 27, 2018 6:57pm
bad/troll builds. MODERATOR, pls archive

The guide looks good bran. Have you actually played a game with some of these items? Or is it just theory crafting? For example, i can understand the appeal of Atlanta's bow due to medusas sidewinder. I still dont think silver branch bow is optimal.
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Branmuffin17 (358) | September 27, 2018 7:11pm
Funny enough (and you keep writing "Atlanta's, ugh), Atalanta's Bow, in many ways, feels more important for the base 10% MS than the Sidewinder passive with stacks.

And that's a good question about playing a game with these items. No, I haven't, at least not with some of those final items.

That said, I've been doing this for so long, I feel confident that, in most cases, I know if something is going to function pretty well or not. DV-8 and I did mess around in Jungle Practice a bit to get the feel, and I will say that I do have item preferences within the options I provide.

You don't think Silver is optimal (which I can understand, and which I scoffed at HR for making that adjustment, lol), but if you take a step back, consider its stats. It's a bit less for the passive, and more that, 1 to 1 comparison, it's only got 5% less AS than Odysseus' Bow, has 20 or higher power situationally where O-Bow has none, and it has 10 flat pen. Yes, O-Bow offers some nice teamfight function, but against single targets, which one is pretty clearly better? And O-Bow is Meta.

So...of all the options, situationally I like Titan's, O-Bow, Crusher, and Silver. I like Atalanta's more situationally, HS a bit less, and it's a rare situation I'd get BF (I'd definitely consider if there wasn't any anti-heal in sight though). Trans is also nice for the stats it brings, once you've got your core items.

You can trust me or not on this, and I invite you to try out these item options, but I'm confident the stats these items provide are functional, and situationally helpful. It's about choosing the right combo for the right situation.
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boogiebass (46) | September 10, 2018 10:00pm
You like Asi in the final build?
Even though it procs Qin's Sais passive more, don't you advocate selling it late game?

So why is Asi bad late game if it procs qin's passive more?
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Branmuffin17 (358) | September 11, 2018 1:15am
I'm confused. Did you read the notes? I ask, because...it doesn't seem like you read it. XD

Asi is only really present in the Transcendence builds, correct? I suggest building it anytime you feel like you need the lifesteal, but it's usually present later in the example build. Personally, I love Asi as a crutch after Trans + Tabi, because I always need the health cuz I suck. But I do suggest delaying it if possible, because before you get Qin's, it will always cut into your damage output, due to not having any power.

Of all the bridge items, I feel Asi has always translated very well even into the late game. The lifesteal boost at lower health is very, very nice, as long as you're not getting completely burst by a mage or 3 enemies at once. If that happens, not much is going to save you anyway.

In some instances, I do advocate selling Asi late, at least as an option...but here, with Medusa, I like keeping it in most cases...and my notes don't ever talk about switching it out...at least as far as I know.
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boogiebass (46) | September 11, 2018 8:03am
I still have some questions. Will ask when we play together again.
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Kriega1 (126) | August 9, 2018 1:22pm
Why ichaival in crit build if you’re getting Rage? (Don’t you think it’s delaying for too long?) Also getting deathbringer before Executioner? Lastly, I think Exe should be built before Qins unless gold fury is down and you have enough gold on the back in which case you can get Qins, otherwise get exe for the objective shred, physical damage assisting on team, cheaper price, and the extra damage it gives to abilities if you have the stacks, unlike Qins which will only benefit autos.
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Branmuffin17 (358) | August 9, 2018 2:08pm
Ich is cheap and has very high AS, which will help since Rage/DB don't have any AS. Trying to supplement the lower AS in those situations.

Qin's / Exe whenever, switch between the two as needed. They're build guidelines, not hard set.
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boogiebass (46) | August 9, 2018 1:31pm
Objective shred with exe?
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Kriega1 (126) | August 9, 2018 1:34pm
Objectives as in Gold Fury. Not Structures (towers/phoenixes).
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