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Can get Hunter's Blessing instead of
Mage's Blessing, but
Mage's Blessing is preferred, at least for Mid lane it is.
Other Mid Starts:
Mage's Blessing/
Hunter's Blessing,
Spellbook, 1
Healing Potion and 2
Mana Potions. (This start is for
Book of Thoth builds).
Book of Souls, 1
Healing Potion/
Multi Potion and 2
Mana Potions. (This start is for
Book of Thoth builds).
Talon Trinket, 1
Multi Potion and 1
Mana Potion (or 1 health/1 mana or 2 mana). (This start is for rushing
Bancroft's Talon before Boots if against low pressure in mid lane where the start won't be punished).
Mage's Blessing/
Hunter's Blessing,
Uncommon Staff, 1
Healing Potion and 2x
Mana Potions. (This start is for getting
Warlock's Staff soon after boots).
More standard AA-based build with no stacking, becomes potent sooner in match than Warlock's Staff build, however you're squishier.
Can get Shoes of Focus instead of
Shoes of the Magi.
Can also get Bancroft's Talon instead of
Pythagorem's Piece.
If you need Divine Ruin it would take the place of either
Telkhines Ring,
Obsidian Shard, or
Rod of Tahuti. Or, Boots when you have
Elixir of Speed.
An example anti-heal build path could be: Shoes of Focus,
Pythagorem's Piece,
Divine Ruin,
Demonic Grip,
Telkhines Ring,
Obsidian Shard/
Rod of Tahuti (sell boots for
Elixir of Speed and item you didn't get sixth).
If you get Toxic Blade instead of
Divine Ruin I would swap it for the items suggested for
Divine Ruin, but not
Rod of Tahuti, as I feel you give up too much power if you do so.
Sell boots for:
Mantle of Discord for survivability and countering heavy burst,
Chronos' Pendant for more CDR,
Hastened Ring for boxing/chasing/juking,
Spear of Desolation for a mix of power/pen/cdr,
or some other alternative. (though the options listed here tend to be the best ones).
Build centered around 3+1 combo using Section III on Accelerate. Comes online later than AA-based builds due to inclusion of
Book of Thoth, and due to being more ability focused. The main weakness of this build is fighting against CC-immunity (
Magi's Cloak,
Purification Beads, CC-immune abilities).
High burst, but not much CDR so you may be a bit predictable. You want to try and farm as much as possible for this build so you can start being relevant, especially since you need to stack Shaman's Ring to get the evolved version that works well with
Rod of Tahuti.
Has some safety with Book of the Dead later into the match, if you swap Boots for it instead of getting one of the other alternative items.
If you need Divine Ruin you would replace
Spear of Desolation, though it does potentialy lower the chance of one shotting squishies with your 3 + 1 combo.
Sell boots for:
Book of the Dead for survivability,
Soul Reaver for fighting high health targets with your
Time Rift and
Stop Time (good for punishing tanks lategame),
Polynomicon for adding some extra combo burst and helps with tower/pheonix pushing once you have some magical power online in your build. Works especially well with
Book of Thoth centred builds,
Chronos' Pendant for more CDR,
or some other alternative, including one of the basic attack rings. (though the options listed here tend to be the best ones).
Slower, stacking build so you become potent later into the match, though Warlock's Staff is there for safety. I mainly use this build over the other AA-based one if im against a team which has heavy burst (e.g.
He Bo,
Zeus). Early game this build is very farm focused, so avoid lengthy engagements/poking unless you're certain you can get a kill/assist.
Can get Shoes of the Magi instead of
Shoes of Focus.
If you need Divine Ruin or
Toxic Blade it would take the place of either
Obsidian Shard or
Telkhines Ring. Or, Boots when you have
Elixir of Speed.
An example could be: Shoes of Focus,
Warlock's Staff,
Demonic Grip,
Divine Ruin,
Telkhines Ring,
Obsidian Shard/
Rod of Tahuti (sell boots for
Elixir of Speed and item you didn't get sixth).
Sell boots for:
Pythagorem's Piece for the good mix of stats, including lifesteal (recommended),
Bancroft's Talon for lifesteal and boxing using the item's passive,
Chronos' Pendant for more CDR,
Hastened Ring for boxing/chasing/juking,
or some other alternative. (though the options listed here tend to be the best ones).
Divine Ruin or
Toxic Blade may be necessary in some matches. I don't recommend
Toxic Blade in the same build as one that has
Hastened Ring, as you lose out on too much damage.
Typhon's Fang should only be bought when
Bancroft's Talon is present, and the item gets countered hard by anti-heal.
Soul Gem doesen't provide much, but it provides the occasional burst proc with it's passive which can be stacked with constant usage of
Time Rift. I would consider it only in an ability based build.
Ethereal Staff is a bruiser option if you want to be able to reduce tanky targets health while also gaining some of it to have a bit more health.
Dynasty Plate Helm or
Celestial Legion Helm are useful against physical Mid and/or physical Jungler, though Celestial Helm is weak against tick based physical damage (e.g.
The Crusher).
Winged Blade against Slow-heavy team comps.
Breastplate of Valor against heavy physical teams if you need the defense and want some CDR, generally best paired with
Book of Thoth builds.
Stone of Fal for it's base stats, for dealing with burst mages that haven't build
Obsidian Shard yet.
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k, thanks. will test those out when i get the chance.
Edit: On 2nd thought I tried it in a recent game and I quite like it with cdr boots and dynasty early. I updated the builds anyway.
The only reason i ask, for situations like i had earlier, when i had locked in and no one went guardian/warrior. yeah, not something i was looking at wanting to run but maybe help a bit when no one chooses tank and i have already locked in.
yeah, sometimes i don't feel like being responsible when a bunch of strangers aren't. I just want to play my choice. lol. Thanks for the tips.
Also, having played so many in your face melee types, it is a struggle going..wait...just because i am running his auto based doesn't mean you just walk right in every time..i mean my brain knows this but i am slowly weeding that out on him.
as an example i saw a dmbrandon vid for bellona that was 1 1/2 hours. i would just search online and have results come up and a lot of the ones that happened to come up would be way longer than i was willing to get into.
So, bancrofts, pen boots, breastplate, talisman, divine ruin, obs shard.
Can start warrior's blessing and tiny trinket.
Or another example, pythags, pen boots, celestial/dynasty helm, shogun's kusari, gauntlet of thebes/witchblade, gem of iso. (supporty-style build).
Edit: Or, pen boots, dynasty plate helm (or celestial legion helm), stone of fal, witchblade, ethereal staff, mantle of discord.
Edit 2: I guess if you wanted to put yourself through pain for the most optimal tanky build you could try build warlocks, so using one of the solo builds I listed on Page 3 or one of the ones I list in the testing builds.
So, bancrofts, pen boots, breastplate, talisman, divine ruin, obs shard.
Can start warrior's blessing and tiny trinket.
Or another example, pythags, pen boots, celestial/dynasty helm, shogun's kusari, gauntlet of thebes/witchblade, gem of iso. (supporty-style build).
Edit: Or, pen boots, dynasty plate helm (or celestial legion helm), stone of fal, witchblade, ethereal staff, mantle of discord.
Edit 2: I guess if you wanted to put yourself through pain for the most optimal tanky build you could try build warlocks, so using one of the solo builds I listed on Page 3 or one of the ones I list in the testing builds.
Thank you for the additional thoughts on that, Kriega. it is greatly appreciated. I'll definitely take a look at those options for when i run into that situation. I never would have thought to ask but i saw so many defensive options in some of your item lists.
Probably could swap thoth in that build for soul reaver, seems to still 1 shot if I remember correctly.
Right now speed is OP, so I didn't mind going shoes, into the rings, into Bancroft late.
Situational
Only reason I got
But you could very easily build him more of a standard mage-type early and just nuke with your 1 a ton...transitioning to more basic attack function late. Here, I'd probably suggest something like this, and Kriega can suggest adjustments as necessary.
Right now speed is OP, so I didn't mind going shoes, into the rings, into Bancroft late.
Situational
Only reason I got
But you could very easily build him more of a standard mage-type early and just nuke with your 1 a ton...transitioning to more basic attack function late. Here, I'd probably suggest something like this, and Kriega can suggest adjustments as necessary.
Man, quick response. Good on you, old chap. Thanks for laying that response out so quickly.
Also, i already love your first build idea. when i first started and was lvling Ymir and tinkering with
Deso can be okay, but for Ob Shard, you're already going Demonic, which should typically be more than enough for most enemies unless you're going with the more ability-focused direction, and you're facing a team of majority tanks. I'd then say same for Reaver, but Tahuti is fine in the 6th spot in the basic attack build if you're doing well.
We can keep debating this, and I'll keep saying the same thing, because I'm talking situationally, AND giving reasons, and you tend to ignore that and just focus on me bringing it up in the first place.
I do what i want!
Well, in khepri's hades guide you made it clear you wouldn't want my popcorn anyways :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbuTiwqyMzA
Edit: Mid: A, ADC: A+/S-, Solo: B+.
I'm divided when it comes to
I don't think Warlock's needs a buff, but they definitely could reduce the number of stacks required. 70 would be fair.
I don't think I ever build Warlock's on
It does, but it also improves his lategame as well, which as we know is where he's strongest. It's not a core item, no, (at least for Mid/ADC), but it still can be a useful consideration. Also you spend a lot of time farming, so building the stacks shouldn't be hard. Alternatively, for Mid lane, you can start tier 2 bancrofts, rush bancrofts, get pen boots online and then get warlocks and start stacking it.
As for ADC, if you want to be stronger in the early to mid game you can just rush bancrofts/pen boots/Dynasty Helm.
Also certain matchups like
And.... I have included 2 alternative build paths for Mid, and 1 alternative to ADC if you do not want to build
Im not sure what your point is here.
I'm just saying that I found this start interesting, because the few times I played Chronos I went for Warlock's first item, and I really missed the sustain from lifesteal. Going
Oh, indeed at times they can still work in Arena, but if Arena was the focus, certain item choices would be more attractive, and others less attractive (e.g.
KREE-guh? Kree-eh-guh?
Boogie pronounces it the 2nd way, and it honestly drives me crazy.
Boog...
Also im not sure what you have to do to intrepret Kriega as "Kree-eh-guh", you're literally inventing extra syllables.
Also, Kriega, I only found out about this about a week or so ago. If I'd known way earlier, I would have disassociated with him before he became my illegitimate (and impossible) son, since there's no way I could be his father with our age difference.
Also, Kriega, I only found out about this about a week or so ago. If I'd known way earlier, I would have disassociated with him before he became my illegitimate (and impossible) son, since there's no way I could be his father with our age difference.
Once a muffin man has a muffin boy he has to make sure that muffin boy grows up right after all....
On lvl 1? No. But on lvl 2, a lot of times.
Yes, I had, but it’s so rare that I never found it a disadvantage.
Yeah, and that is a bit of an exaggeration, just found that meme a funny way to present how i think about Conquest right now. it is pretty overwhelming though hearing other people talk about it and having been roped along for a couple of matches previously having almost no knowledge of the game at the time.
I know part of it is random group comps but even joust is a headache sometimes and i ran with Muffin, Boogie and a couple others from here on 2 or 3 clash matches and was pretty out of my depth on that currently on those.
If i can ever get the time to devote to it I might try to seriously learn, but Arena, and to an extent Joust is in my match length sweet spot. I really can't commit to regular lengthy matches most of the time.