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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by ICEN » June 2, 2015 4:05pm | Report
FemFatalis wrote:

The reason those gods fell out of favor was because of scaling. The same kit doesn't mean the same effect. Read the archive of patch notes lol. I never claimed to be the arbiter, your points just aren't valid compared to the reality of the metagame. There's no way to create a static tier list, and we never claimed this would be that. Your tier list is your tier list, and focuses on what you think is the best. This is an entirely different thread with different goals.
And show me the points that are not valid

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by FemFatalis » June 2, 2015 4:07pm | Report
Anubis doesn't see play because teams can shut him down. You're not wrong, he can be successful, and he's such a pubstomp (positive, I don't see that as an insult), but in ranked, which is the focus of the thread, he can be focused down until he's useless. Anubis from behind is awful. So I'm not claiming your opinion is invalid, it is invalid in this context due to metagame proof. Your tier list is your opinion, and that's fine, and you're good at Anubis, but this is a list for everyone's viewing and use. Anubis will not be as successful as Agni, Poseidon, Janus, Eset, or Chronos in the mid lane.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by ICEN » June 2, 2015 4:10pm | Report
Okay you said the meta, well right now Cabrakan is being spammed out the ***, in fact I am eating right now and the very first video I clicked on is another Cabrakan, I seen Cabrakan picked up over and over and the current videos I am watching right now he is being picked up again.

So how is he low tier when people are picking him up so much, I though this was based upon picks....

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by FemFatalis » June 2, 2015 4:12pm | Report
Success, not picks. Cabrakan hasn't done very well in most of his games.

Edit: The only player having success with Cabrakan is Shing. Divios has abandoned him, and djpernicus was beaten in two straight games after being good with the character at the beginning of the Summer Split. Shing is considered a master of Cabrakan, which fits B or C tier; he should not be played unless a team comp can be built around him or the player is a master of the god.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Talenhiem » June 2, 2015 4:42pm | Report
ICEN wrote:



Why should I pick Anubis over other Top mid picks? First realize that the question you are asking has nothing to do with B Tier, you are asking why should I pick him over someone who is like A-S Tier? I was asking for Anubis to move up to at least B but the question is implying why should you pick Anubis over someone that is A-S tier.

A: There is no good reason besides playing him because you simply like Anubis or you just want super high damage for whatever reason. For this question there is no real good reason, but understand you asked me why should I pick Anubis over a TOP PICK, I was not saying Anubis was a TOP pick, I said he was def higher than C though.

How does Anubis fare against TOP MID PICKS
Again I was saying put him in B and you are talking about him facing a TOP PICK which is 2 tiers higher. You are also implying you are doing Anubis mid, maybe I want Anubis solo?

A: Lets see, Against Janus Anubis clears faster early on I am pretty sure? I kind of forget how strong Janus wave clear is but from what I remember I thought Anubis clears faster early. Basically whoever doesn't gets beads wins is how I see it, if Anubis gets hit by Janus burst he dies and if Janus gets hit by Anubis burst he dies, Janus has more mobility but in terms of laning its whoever doesn't beads the other ones combo wins.

- Against Agni, like I said, it is my belief that Agni is the king of all 1 on 1's and is perfect so obviously I am going to say Agni wins because his poke is too good vs everyone in the game

- Against Ra, Ra is more annoying than anything else, Ra really won't be able to kill Anubis unless you play very stupidly, the only thing Ra is good at is making you take minion damage because he heals his wave back up, Ra has no escape so if he is caught by Anubis combo he goes bye bye without beads early on. Overall I'd say Ra has the advantage only because of the heal, but ra has that advantage against almost everyone

- Against Poseidon, Herm, Pos has no real escape so if he gets caught early with no beads he will die easy since Pos is squishy as hell. Pos can probably clear the wave faster but has to waste two abilities to do so, Anubis can clear just as fast with his 1 and only has to use 1 ability. However whirl pool will be placed on you probably.

^ I see it sort of even with maybe clear going slightly to POS, but I think it can go either way, my reasoning is that Pos uses two abilities to clear a wave fast, Anubis can use one ability to clear a wave fast but then he is less safe in lane, however early you most likely won't get ganked because jungle is helping solo lane.

I would say POS will probably out clear Anubis but he waste two abilities to do so (early), for me its whoever gets caught first dies because both are squishy as hell and it would come down to the jungler more because neither have good escapes. Pos might be able to get slightly faster clear but I don't see Anubis losing lane either if he camps with grapsing hands. Anubis will buy Aegis, Pos will buy beads. It comes more down to the jungler.

- Anubis beats Scylla early easily

IMO, Anubis will either out clear, have equal clear or slightly less clear than almost all gods. Anubis does not really lose lane due to lack of clear. Anubis loses lane when he gets ganked and can't escape. Early on when nobody has beads Anubis has kill potential and can win early based upon nobody have beads yet. Once people get beads it may be harder to get a kill but on a CC team them beads will come off eventually, even with beads Anubis can still throw around damage that is more enough to kill people without CC just by being in the damage.

IMO Anubis fares pretty well in lane, he has good laning phase against mostly everyone in the game especially with life steal passive. He isn't going to be a better pick than Agni or blah blah but I do not think he is no C tier just because he isn't as good as someone in S tier.

How does Anubis fare if he loses his lane?

A: Well duh, just like everyone else, your tower goes bye bye. If he loses lane then you just make plays with your team to get rid of the mid laner and then take his tower when he is dead? I mean that pretty much goes with any lane, if your losing then ask your jungler or team to try to make a play, or at least win a mid team fight and then while they are cleared you can take their tower and it will go back to being even. So he fares just like everyone else? Even if he loses lane he can clear waves easy and farm.

What does Anubis bring to team fights?
Anubis brings high Aoe damage that slows and long range CC.
While mages like Zhong have high damage as well, Zhong doesn't have a long rage CC.
Isis for example has to keep throwing balls at you, Anubis places one AOE on the ground and anyone inside will lose a bunch of heath (in the jungle it wrecks you). Isis has a damage CC while Anubis has a no damage long range CC, to me both are similar but Anubis grapsing hands is easier damage in team fights.

The fact with Gem of Iso, in the jungle grasping hands will wreck the other team if Anubis places that ability under them, not only will they take tons of damage but they will be slowed for days, Isis and other mages can't do this besides mages that are Top tier, and while people like Pos can do the same thing, like I said Anubis also has long rage CC.

Again I am not comparing Anubis to the best because I was just saying to move him up to B.

How much skill do you need to play Anubis effectively?

A: Skill should not decide the tier list of a god, every tier list should assume that god is being played to the highest skill level possible and that is how you would know what the god is capable of? But to answer that, playing Anubis is harder than playing other mages but just because he is hard does not mean he should be super low tier.

^ With Anubis you have to camp hard, You have to cancel your abilities out quickly to avoid being hit by abilities, you have to position yourself right, you have to basically land every single mummify, either to get rid of Magi's, to make people waste beads or for the combo simply.

He is only harder because mummify is his main ability that gives him consistent damage, while other mages just do damage instantly. For example: Anubis ticks damage, so you can walk in and out, other mages do instant damage and once you are hit you are hit by the entire damage unlike Anubis. However that is why I like gem because without mummify you still have consistent damage when they stay in your ability longer.

What tricks does Anubis have up his sleeve?


He places Grapsing hands on top of himself so in order to get near him you are forced to damage yourself while fighting him (assuming your not a hunter). Assassins have to walk in it to fight him and other gods have to walk through it to chase him. For Assassins it can destroy them in combo with plague of locust but Anubis would probably CC you before you ever do anything, even if you use beads you are talking damage and if you use aegis then Anubis has time to run away and his mummify will be going trying to come of CD.

Blink Anubis is pretty troll, with fast reflexes you may still die because of the plague of locust/grasping hands combo.

Anubis doesn't do tricks, Anubis does one thing, throws out damage with CC and uses life steal to kill you before you can kill him, the only trick he does is force you to eat damage facing him before he goes out. There are not many tricks, its just do combo and kill or throw out damage and kill.

How does Anubis fare against ganks?

A: it depends, he either gets **** on or the other person gets **** on, its that simple. There is no real in between. If Anubis gets ganked and has nothing on Cooldown he will probably die, if the jungler ganks Anubis 1 on 1 alone and Anubis mummifies the jungler then the jungler is dead early on before anyone buys beads. Overall, Anubis fairs BAD against ganks when its the mid laner + the jungler on him, however Anubis will not get ganked easily if he is near his tower because mummify will bide him enough time to get back.

^ Basically, if Anubis is near the mid of his lane or higher he is screwed, if he is near his tower and gets ganked he will most likely live because of mummify/blink.

Blink Anubis is actually easily survivable when you happen to get combat blink although it doesn't come until later on.

Also everyone should buy wards, not buying wards is pretty dumb and I always start with one ward from the begging of the game and put it on the solo side and camp near that side.

How much potential does Anubis have to get early kills?

A: Once he hits level 5 he can kill easily assuming they have no beads. Pretty much how it works is, anyone who does not have beads online is getting destroyed once they look at Anubis the wrong way. So early on he can actually kill just as well as any other mage besides Agni because hes too good at poke and has more range than Anubis's CC so will always win if played to perfection.

The problem only comes when people buy beads/Magi's blessing. Before that time there is no real problem other than mobility.

Again I wasn't trying to place Anubis top tier, but I think he is better than C


1.) I asked for comparisons vs. top tier picks due to the fact that those are naturally more popular than the lower tiers, and therefore should be the main things compared against. Remember, there's also utility cost for picking Anubis over a top pick like Eset.

2.) Yeah, I had assumed mid, my bad.

3.) Bah, phrased this wrong. I should have expanded: "What can Anubis bring to the table even if he loses his lane?" a.k.a. assuming you're underleveled and underfarmed, you're dying in one or two hits and hitting like a bruiser. The less deadweight Anubis is in that scenario, the better. In my opinion, it can really only bring a long-range stun, and that's about it. This should signify that he really can't afford to lose his lane.

4.) Perfect post, this is the type of post I want to see in this thread.

5.) Yeah, you're right, scratch that question.

6.) First paragraph was exactly what I was looking for.

7.) Again, great answer.

8.) This is where your "getting fed" argument comes into play; this measures how easily it is for Anubis to get fed, assuming a good opponent. An additional thing I would add is that forcing them to buy early Purification Beads can indirectly help you get ahead.

I don't know guys, this looks to be enough to convince me. My opinion is now Anubis to C+/B-:

-Good matchups vs. common mid-laners (not even mentioning solo)
-Easily fed
-Insane damage
-Usually the #1 priority pick (can be taken advantage of)
-Great user of Blink, to both patch up his lack of escape and to get a lot of safe damage into a teamfight (ex. Frost Breath -> Grasping Hands -> Blink -> Swarm of Locusts -> Death Gaze if needed)
-Forces at least the opposing midlaner to buy beads, and can easily pop them without needing to use his ultimate

As ICEN said, not A-Rank material, but I'm now convinced it deserves a raise.

(P.S. @ICEN: That was a great post; keep posting like that and you'll go miles.)

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by dacoqrs » June 2, 2015 4:54pm | Report
Janus to SS+ tier, shoots gigantic Dragon Ball Z **** out of his hands.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by FemFatalis » June 2, 2015 5:15pm | Report
@dacoqrs I see you're making great use of your return to Smite. Are you speaking of Through Space and Time, commonly referred to in HiRez Design as "kame kame HAAAAAAA"?
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by ICEN » June 2, 2015 5:40pm | Report
FemFatalis wrote:

Success, not picks. Cabrakan hasn't done very well in most of his games.

Edit: The only player having success with Cabrakan is Shing. Divios has abandoned him, and djpernicus was beaten in two straight games after being good with the character at the beginning of the Summer Split. Shing is considered a master of Cabrakan, which fits B or C tier; he should not be played unless a team comp can be built around him or the player is a master of the god.
Not sure if you know the answer to these questions or not but I'll ask them anyways

I watch some of the tournament videos, I don't watch every single one but I watch a good bit, for example if there was 6 new videos I might watch 4 out of 6 and miss 2 depending on how many I feel like watching (because if you watch the videos you end up 4 hours later going to bed).

Here is my question if you know the answer to them
#1 - Why did divios quit playing Cabrakan, did he actually say why or did he just stop playing him and people assume that means Cab is bad since divious is not playing him now

#2 - Why is Shing considered master of Cab

I watched Shing play Cab, actually it might have been a day or two ago I just watched him play cab I think, can't remember the exact video because there are so many.

From the videos I watched I can't recall anyone calling him the master of Cab :)

The thing I do not get is why nobody builds gem on him when I watch people play him

@Talenhiem

I might have D rided Anubis a bit too much in my own Tier list by putting him higher than he should be.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by FemFatalis » June 2, 2015 5:54pm | Report
He doesn't build Gem of Isolation because the slow will be over by the time they're done being stunned; in addition, he doesn't do burst damage that affects multiple people. Shing is the only jungler capable of consistently performing with Cabrakan, so he's the master. Just like TheBoosh is the master of Ullr mid; he is the only one who can do it well. Also, to this day, Shing has not lost a game with Cabrakan in the Summer Split.

Snoopy said on stream that Divios was staying away from Cabrakan because of the late-game fall-off; also, Hades is never banned and Divios loves him more than anything. Hope this all makes sense :) the pro scene is all about efficiency, and if Divios is getting Hades every game, he won't be playing Cabrakan every time soon.

Sorry if I post a lot on this thread; I just have a lot of thoughts and knowledge about the competitive metagame. I do watch every game live when I can, and recordings when I can't.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » June 2, 2015 6:28pm | Report
dacoqrs wrote:

Janus to SS+ tier, shoots gigantic Dragon Ball Z **** out of his hands.

If throwing DBZ balls out of your hands makes you SS+ tier, then I wonder where Sun Wukong, the literal source material for Goku, would be. SSS?

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