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I am Perfection! (Hachiman, In-Depth Guide, S7)

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Smite God: Hachiman

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ADC Builds Mid Builds.

Purchase Order

ADC Start Notes Don't level anything at level 8, simply wait to max Heavenly Banner and put a second point into your ultimate.

Build Item Hunter's Blessing Hunter's Blessing
Build Item Spiked Gauntlet Spiked Gauntlet
Build Item Healing Potion Healing Potion
Build Item Healing Potion Healing Potion
Build Item Healing Potion Healing Potion
Build Item Healing Potion Healing Potion

Pen Build

Build Item Devourer's Gauntlet Devourer's Gauntlet
Build Item Ninja Tabi Ninja Tabi
Build Item Atalanta's Bow Atalanta's Bow
Build Item Qin's Sais Qin's Sais
Build Item Berserker's Shield Berserker's Shield
Build Item Silverbranch Bow Silverbranch Bow

Pen Build with Elixr of Speed

Build Item Elixir of Speed Elixir of Speed
Build Item Devourer's Gauntlet Devourer's Gauntlet
Build Item Ichaival Ichaival
Build Item Atalanta's Bow Atalanta's Bow
Build Item Qin's Sais Qin's Sais
Build Item Berserker's Shield Berserker's Shield
Build Item Silverbranch Bow Silverbranch Bow

Crit Build

Build Item Devourer's Gauntlet Devourer's Gauntlet
Build Item Warrior Tabi Warrior Tabi
Build Item Atalanta's Bow Atalanta's Bow
Build Item Rage Rage
Build Item Wind Demon Wind Demon
Build Item Poisoned Star Poisoned Star

Crit Build with EoS

Build Item Elixir of Speed Elixir of Speed
Build Item Devourer's Gauntlet Devourer's Gauntlet
Build Item Berserker's Shield Berserker's Shield
Build Item Atalanta's Bow Atalanta's Bow
Build Item Rage Rage
Build Item Wind Demon Wind Demon
Build Item Poisoned Star Poisoned Star

Alternative Items

Build Item Mantle of Discord Mantle of Discord
Build Item Asi Asi
Build Item Deathbringer Deathbringer
Build Item Toxic Blade Toxic Blade

Relics

Build Item Aegis Amulet Aegis Amulet
Build Item Purification Beads Purification Beads

Hachiman's Skill Order

Eagle Eye

Eagle Eye

1 X
14 15 16 18
Heavenly Banner

Heavenly Banner

2 A
1 3 4 7 8
Iaijutsu

Iaijutsu

3 B
2 6 10 11 12
Mounted Archery

Mounted Archery

4 Y
5 9 13 17 20
Array ( [extreme] => Array ( [0] => Array ( [god] => Array ( [god_id] => 5 [display_name] => Anhur [url] => anhur ) [scoreVal] => 1 [notes] => The King of Early Game Hunters. Don't box him, play it safe. ) [1] => Array ( [god] => Array ( [god_id] => 107 [display_name] => Heimdallr [url] => heimdallr ) [scoreVal] => 1 [notes] => Even nerfed, the Bifrost Guardian stands strong. Better clear, poke, and an amazing escape with his 3. Be careful in this matchup. ) [2] => Array ( [god] => Array ( [god_id] => 62 [display_name] => Hou Yi [url] => hou-yi ) [scoreVal] => 1 [notes] => Hou Yi is another god with a strong kit, this time centered towards boxing other Hunters. He has a Stun, a Knock-up, and an AoE ult that slows. Another thing is his Passive, [[Sontouched]]. When [[Hou Yi]] is hit by a Crit, he cannot be hit by another Crit for 3 seconds. This has no cooldown, and heavily counters crit builds. ) [3] => Array ( [god] => Array ( [god_id] => 51 [display_name] => Ullr [url] => ullr ) [scoreVal] => 1 [notes] => Ullr has a strong Ability Based Kit, that will allow him to shred your health. Another scary thing is if he decides to go a Pen or Crit build instead. He has a Stun, a Leap, Power Boost, and a Movement Speed Buff. Be careful in this match-up. ) ) ) 1

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Table of Contents!

Introduction!

Welcome to my guide for Hachiman, Lord of the Eight Banners!

My name is ThaDrPigeon. I am a casual player who primarily plays conquest. I generally play every role, but I personally prefer Carry and Mid. This guide will focus on Hachiman in both of those Roles.

This is my FIRST smitefire guide, and I intend to update it, so feel free to comment things that should be added/edited.

Regardless, lets move on to the archer himself, Hachiman!


Pros & Cons

Pros:
  • Easy to pick up
  • Long Range basics with his 1 Eagle Eye
  • Good waveclear
  • Dash can stun
  • Good Mana Sustain with Passive
  • Amazing Ult with good Mobility
  • Great at Boxing
  • Heavenly Banner provides Attack Speed for the team
  • Cyber Samurai is a badass skin
Cons:
  • High Skill Ceiling
  • Rough Level 1 Clear
  • Ult is hard to aim with
  • Dash is pretty short range
  • Eagle Eye and Mounted Archery require great aim to maximize damage
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Abilities





skills

Gameplay

Early Game


Mid Game


End Game

Core Items


Core Item 1

Ninja Tabi are some amazing boots, providing you with +25% Attack Speed, +100 Mana, but at the downside of only +20 Physical Power. While I generally run these boots on every other Hunter, I rarely use them on any of my Hachiman builds. I'll add this in for everyone, but I generally prefer Warrior Tabi.

Core Item 1

Warrior Tabi is my preferred choice for boots with both my Critical and Penetration build with Hachiman. They provide 50+ Physical Power, and allow you to hit harder early game!


Core Item 2

Devourer's Gauntet is probably the most vital start for any Hunter in order for them to have a decent Early Game Power spike. Once stacked, it gives you immense lifesteal and power advantages over your enemy Hunter.

Core Item 3

Atalanta's Bow is an amazing item! Giving you +25 Physical Power, +30% Attack Speed, and a WHOPPING +20% Physical Penetration! And the passive makes it even better! When you kill or assist on a kill on an enemy God, you gain Atalanta's Agility. This increases Attack Speed by 20%, and decreases Movement Penalty for attacking, backpedaling, and strafing by 40%! This can easily allow you to snowball in teamfights, giving you a massive power!

Critical Item 1

Rage is possibly the most powerful Crit item to exist in the game right now. Rage is a simple Crit item that requires stacks. The 30% Critical Chance is nothing to scoff at, but when you get all 5 stacks required, the Critical Chance shoots up to 45%. This alone allows you to run only Rage and Wind Demon as your only two Crit items.
I used to run Deathbringer instead, but Spectral Armor hurts you heavily if someone snags it. I recommend Wind Demon into Poisoned Star for the amazing passive of reduced damage!

Critical Item 2

Wind Demon is an amazing Crit Item, one that boosts Attack Speed AND Movement Speed by 20% on a Critical Hit! This can allow you to box anyone easily, giving you an advantage for strafing and landing Auto's!

Power Item 1

Qin's Sais is an amazing item for melting through those pesky Support and Solos! When you have Qin's, every auto you hit deals Physical Damage that is equal to 3% of their Maximum Health! This scales up more when the Enemy God has more Health, maxing out at 5% at 2750 Health!

Power Item 2

I used to believe Beserker's Shield used to only be good on AA based Solo's like Bellona, or Amaterasu. Then Hi-Rez reworked it, and made the passive reward you for hitting under 40% Health, giving you 20 Flat Physical Power and +25% Attack Speed! This effect will refresh if you heal over that margin again!

Alt Items


Alt Item 1

Mantle of Discord is a pretty simple Defensive item. Gives you flat +60 Physical and Magical Protections, and +10% CDR. But the passive is amazing! When you hit under 30% Health, you will unleash a shockwave that stuns and all enemies around you for 1s, and you can CC Immunity! But, it can only proc once every 90 seconds.

If you're getting dived a lot, I heavily recommend picking this up to keep yourself alive longer!

Alt Item 2

Asi is one of my favorite Life Steal items. If you aren't a big fan of Ichaival, I definitely recommend getting Asi. Providing you with +20 Physical Power, +20% Physical Lifesteal, +25 Attack Speed, and +15 Penetration! The passive gives you an additional 30% Lifesteal if you drop below 35% Health, and this can occur every 15 seconds! This comes out to a whopping 55% Lifesteal when you're below 30% Health! Great when you like being in the frontlines!

Alt Item 2

Toxic Blade is an amazing item for Hunter's who need Anti-Heal! Every auto you hit provides -20% Anti Heal, stacking twice and lasting 8s. I really recommend going this earlier if the enemy team has any sort of God with Healing on their team. The stats also make this item worth its weight, being +100 Health, +15 Penetration, +30% Attack Speed, and +7% Movement Speed! Really helps you in all areas!

The Conclusion!

This concludes my build for Hachiman, Lord of the Eight Banners! I wish you speed in slaying your enemies, and good luck! If you have any questions or critiques, feel free to put them in the comments!

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Kriega1 (114) | September 15, 2020 2:51am
Warrior Tabi in Silverbranch build 🤔

Where is Odysseus’ Bow and Toxic Blade on alternative items? Also the point you’re getting Ichaival in the first build is so late you may as well get Asi or Odysseus’ instead.
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ThaDrPigeon (1) | September 15, 2020 12:11pm
I fixed the Warrior in Silverbranch, my mistake on that.

But I disagree with Odysseus' Bow overall, as I rarely see a use for it in this Meta. Hachiman's clear spikes up the second you hit Level 6, requiring only a few auto's to finish off the Brutes.

Ichaival being late seems weird, but with how often you'll proc the passive in teamfights, it's easily better than an Asi or Odysseus'. Both of those items are good in their own right, but Ichaival helps your team in the fights, allowing you to slow down Attack Speed of any Enemy God you're fighting.
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Kriega1 (114) | September 15, 2020 12:20pm
Odysseus’ Bow isn’t for waveclear, it’s for the AoE proc in teamfights...
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Devampi (99) | April 26, 2020 3:46am
I felt like doing a review. First of for what is there it is a nice guide, however I do feel things could be expanded.

I will go over it by guide sections reviewing the top in their section or afterwards.

So first a minor layout thing. It's the ability explanation before the pros & cons (honestly pros & cons are usually an introduction thing). Not something you have to change necessarily. The Top layout is clean and very well understandable.

So on abilities mostly additions that I am missing:
  • Maybe useful to note that his passive mana sustain matches blue pots so he does not need them
  • For Eagle Eye, maybe mention that it can also be used at close range for a slight bit of extra damage.
  • While you did it in pros & cons you did not notice the AS aura also affects team mates.
  • maybe explain the lvling order a bit more in depth here

The gameplay section is decent, but can maybe include a bit of a how to box playing as hachiman. Like is it better to use Heavenly Banner at the sart or when going for the all in moment with the dash. How to use eagle eye to your advantage during boxing, instead of poking.
Same for how to teamfight, who to focus, who to stay away from. When to ult.

Your item section feels incomplete. At the top you have so many items and 2 different builds, however you only talk about 6 items in total. In most cases this is the biggest reason people search for guides as they don;t understand item building. Also Core items are items you need regardless of going with a crit or pen build. Really sad you missed the perfect adc item in your explanation: The Executioner. I am assuming you plan on expanding this part of the guide eventually, so I won;t comment further on it other than that it's lacking a lot of information.

Now the builds itself. They are solid builds, altough it's a playstyle thing I prefer to move oddy later in the build as I feel the major powerspike qin's gives comes to late otherwise.
Also a warning for Deathbringer if someone get spectral armor this hurts your dps a lot in this case Wind Demon+poison star is commonly the pickup. Therefore, I recommend to get Wind Demon before Deathbringer, unless you only plan on 2 crit items. I also do not recommend Malice on most hunters. Lastly, Mantle of Discord can also be considered instead of magi's.

Threats that are there are quite solid, can be expanded with the other adcs
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ThaDrPigeon (1) | September 16, 2020 1:32pm
Took your advice! Took me a while, but I loved your input! Appreciate!
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Arctic_Viper | April 25, 2020 2:11pm
How come you build dev. gauntlet before the boots? Wouldn't you want the movement speed from the boots first?
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ThaDrPigeon (1) | April 25, 2020 4:26pm
I tend to go into Boots first. I just have the build set up like that for reasons.
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Arctic_Viper | April 26, 2020 9:54am
Ohh ok, thanks :). Great guide btw!!
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Kriega1 (114) | April 25, 2020 2:18pm
You can go either first. Going boots first is safer, though you hit your power spike later since you stack Devo's later.
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ThaDrPigeon (1) | April 25, 2020 4:27pm
Could you look over my guide? I'd really enjoy your input!
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xmysterionz (59) | February 4, 2020 2:04pm
I want to know why you build Bloodforge as 1st item over Devourer's Gauntlet?

Would be nice you write your items decisions on the guide.
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ThaDrPigeon (1) | February 4, 2020 7:27pm
I am sorry, I am slowly updating the build into a guide! I keep publishing to save my work, I'm so sorry about that :(
I go Bloodforge over it because it works better with the Pen build instead of Devo's, imo. It gives a better power spike, which will work better with the Pen, and allows you to have a much quicker spike than Devo's would give.
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Devampi (99) | February 5, 2020 1:33am
The only spike I would see it giving is the early power you get after paying 500 gold more (4 minion waves more so around ~20 stacks so 25 more power) but since the power will be pretty much nullified somewhere 3-4 items in I can only see the shield late game (if you get the kill and a reduced life steal).

So I assume you get hit harder by O-bows no power than others, as your crit build does use Devo's.

I honestly have to say I don't find the item cost worth it, I don't think it will give you that much of an edge especially since a pen build is a late game build that sees it's main power spike late in the game (qin's), while crit sees it "early" (rage)
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Branmuffin17 (325) | February 4, 2020 2:23pm
At this point it's also not an in-depth guide, unless this is a work in progress.
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ThaDrPigeon (1) | February 6, 2020 6:57pm
I finished updating it into an entire guide! Please feel free to critique it and help in any way!
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Kriega1 (114) | July 15, 2019 5:21am
I think the crit build needs work. Exe third item isn't as necessary when you're mainly farming in lane during that point (and possibly boxing enemy hunter). Poisoned Star is also a pretty weak item in it's current state. You would be better off going Devourer's Gauntlet, Ninja Tabi/ Warrior Tabi, Rage, The Executioner, Deathbringer and last item choose between Titan's Bane or Wind Demon or Bloodforge. Lategame sell your boots for Elixir of Speed and get either Asi (preferred) or Odysseus' Bow (probably only if you got Titan's Bane last) or Mantle of Discord/ Magi's Cloak if you're getting dived.

Also you don't need heavenly wings on Hachi, Beads and Aegis are all you will ever need.

And you need to fix your levelling order, you put extra points for the 2 that were meant for the 3. Also missing a 5th point for the ult.

Lastly, list Elixir of Speed so it's clear what items are being sold.
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ThaDrPigeon (1) | July 15, 2019 12:55pm
Thank you for your input, I'll make sure to update it!
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