So by now we all know and probably used them. And I was curious about people's thoughts on this subject and why.
while in conquest it is more lane opponent dependent, my own preference still goes towards Pestilence. This mostly comes from the health and the higher protections it gives. I just don't really like the mana stat from Contagion. Another reason I prefer pestilence is because if you would go contagion you will probably get your dedicated magic defense out of the kusari tree, which gives your overall build less HP than with a pestilence.
Pestilence because in Solo I prefer to get Runic Shield + Beatstick against magicals or Pestilence, and void shield + beatstick against physicals.
On magicals I sometimes might prefer Contagion though so I get to have Void Stone in my build (though again, I could just get my antiheal through Divine Ruin), or if im a support and want to have a magical prot item with a certain passive/aura I need.
Whatever. I usually don't pick both because I ask people to build more efficient anti healing like BBS/DR and TB, but, If I feel I need it then I get the one with the type of defenses I am missing.
+500 health 651.56 dps= 3.84 total lifetime = 0.33 prolonged lifetime
+1000 health 721.48 = 4.16 total = 0.65 pronlonged.
difference= 0.32 secodns prolonged
+ both 536.37 dps = 4.66 total lifetime = 1.15 pronlonged lifetime
+ 25 prot 250 hp 549.24 = 4.09 total = 0.58
difference = 0.57 prolonged
dunno if I trust bran's calculator here since every 50 prot gives around 0.75% extra lifetime. Could be the effect of executioner.
However every 50 prot provides .75 seconds of additional lifetime (making it linear).
ever +1000 hp goes up in additional lifetime before 4000 and then the gained additional lifetime goes down (sorta expected apart from 2000 to 3000 being a lower difference then 3000 to 4000)
getting both (in +25 +250) will see you an increased increase that is higher then the .75 from prot after 3000 hp 200 prot.
Also could be because I mostly play arena but I find Blackthorn a bit meh (you barely run out of mana there and then it's just a quick trip back to base and the 10% cdr is then meh. So I mostly pick BoV)
You just think Blackthorn is meh because you play a mode where Mana sustain isn't needed :v
But trust me Blackthorn is one of the best items in the game
don't worry I believe you, I have seen more items that are considered high impact have a lower impact in arena. Blackthorn is mostly meh in arena because even though it gives a ton of health you still melt too quickly because no protections. Couple it with no/low need for mana sustain and the "speed" of the game mode and other items will shine in blackthorns spot. in lane the slower pace and less opponents makes you benefit from it a lot more.
(honestly talking arena tanks/warriors and to a certain extent assassins (unless you are really good at timing and flanking on an open field) need to consider protections over damage fairly early)
The points Kriega made, in terms of build direction, are along my general thought direction. I remain a fan of Void Shield and Void Stone, so for physical gods, Pest can be more appealing, while for magical gods (let's say Supports), Contagion can be nice...also, on that Support side, they will probably appreciate mana/MP5 more (they don't get the Blue buff that Solos get). (Also, it's obviously more helpful in the early game)
One other point to make is that physical protection in a 1:1 consideration (e.g. 50 phys prot vs. 50 mag prot) is inherently more valuable.
The most common team composition is 1 of each class, which would mean 3 phys gods and 2 mag gods.
All non-player damage is in the form of physical damage unless some of this has changed without me being aware (minions, towers, GF, FG, Titan). Even if only the minions deal physical damage, it's still significant, especially in the early game and against fire minions.
The other thing is considering other pure defensive item options of the same protection type. So this might go past "do you like Contagion or Pest more," but rather "which one fits in best with the rest of your build and item preferences"? Do you like BoV/Nemean/Midgardian? Or do you like Oni/Shogun's/Genji?
don't worry I believe you, I have seen more items that are considered high impact have a lower impact in arena. Blackthorn is mostly meh in arena because even though it gives a ton of health you still melt too quickly because no protections. Couple it with no/low need for mana sustain and the "speed" of the game mode and other items will shine in blackthorns spot. in lane the slower pace and less opponents makes you benefit from it a lot more.
(honestly talking arena tanks/warriors and to a certain extent assassins (unless you are really good at timing and flanking on an open field) need to consider protections over damage fairly early)
I seem to do fine with Blackthorns in a good deal of the builds i use them in and i mostly play arena too. It seems like for the handful of warriors i am currently comfortable running it works pretty well. I even have been running UPLAR's build number 4 for Ah Muzen Cab with it and for the most part it has been a nice build for me.
.....maybe i need to lurk forums a bit more often than once in a blue moon though so i don't respond to threads 3-4 months or more after they are created...
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