Balancing Discussion: The Real Deal

I really wanted to change shackles into ne Zha kind of sash or like Amumu's bandage toss. This will help his ult a lot. Then we increase his ult Cooldown.......... You will think I'm crazy but I haven't talk about his other buffs. If he hit his "shackle" to a god his ult will be reduced in a flat second Cooldown. That means if he built Cooldown reduction, he can have even a quicker time to have his ult back if he can hit his shackles so his ult will be weaker early game when hitting enemy god is hard but stronger late game. Then make his flat magical damage still ticks even if he doesn't keep hitting them but can only be ticked once per cast. Keep the percentage health if he still firing them. This can give him some pushing abilities

2A. Ares's Shackles deal X damage and root and cripple the enemy hit for 1 second before slowing them by 17/19/21/23/25% for the next 2 seconds. Cooldown: 12/11/10/9/8 seconds.

I really wanted to change shackles into ne Zha kind of sash or like Amumu's bandage toss. This will help his ult a lot. Then we increase his ult Cooldown.......... You will think I'm crazy but I haven't talk about his other buffs. If he hit his "shackle" to a god his ult will be reduced in a flat second Cooldown. That means if he built Cooldown reduction, he can have even a quicker time to have his ult back if he can hit his shackles so his ult will be weaker early game when hitting enemy god is hard but stronger late game. Then make his flat magical damage still ticks even if he doesn't keep hitting them but can only be ticked once per cast. Keep the percentage health if he still firing them. This can give him some pushing abilities

I like this idea the best.

I'm still gonna keep on working on my stance Ares idea, and so I think this one fits the Offense Formation.




Tell me what you think of this.

2: Valorous / Shackles

Valorous: Ares courageously jumps to his ground target location and strikes down his sword on of the ground, dealing damage to all enemies in the area and fearing all enemies in a cone in front of him in the direction of the center of the cone for 1s. Damage: 70/120/170/210/260 (+50% of your magical power) Leap Speed: Lunge Cooldown: 18s Warlord Bonus: +0.1s fear duration per allied god. Shackles: Ares fires a single shackle, passing through all minions and damaging them. If the shackle hits an enemy god, they are rooted and crippled for 1s while taking damage before being slowed for 2 additional seconds and taking 50% of the damage every 1s. Initial Damage & Minion Damage: 35/60/85/100/125 (+25% of your magical power) Damage (Total): 70/120/170/220/270 (+50% of your magical power) Slow: 20% Cooldown: 14/13/12/11/10s Warlord Bonus: +2% slow per enemy god.

I'm not really sure about Valorous. It may feel a little bit forced to combine a jump with his main CC/peel.

Okay okay, I think I got it. Instead of a sword, and a shield, Ares will carry a spear and a shield.

Passive: Warlord

For every allied god within 35 ft of Ares while in Defense Formation, or for every enemy god with 35 ft of Ares while in Offence Formation, the effectiveness of Ares' abilities are enhanced. (Ares also counts)

1: Bolster Defenses / Battle Cry

Bolster Defenses: Ares slams his spear upon his shield, creating a 35 ft aura that grants 20/25/30/35/40 protections to him and all nearby allies. Warlord Bonus: +3 protections per allied god Battle Cry: Ares lifts his spear in the air, let's an astoundingly loud battle cry, creating a 35 ft aura that grants 2/4/6/8/10% additional magical and physical power to him and all nearby allies. Warlord Bonus: 1% additional magical and physical power per enemy god If Ares switches formation, the aura is cancelled. Duration: 6s Cooldown: 13s

2: Intimidate / Skewer

Intimidate: Ares charges his spear with the fear of all fallen foes he has killed. Ares then strikes his spear upon the ground, transferring the fear to all enemies in a cone in front of him. Fear duration: 1s Cone Size: 60 degrees (I believe Confound and Frost Breath are 90 degrees and Searing Flesh is 45 Cooldown: 15s Warlord Bonus: +0.1s fear duration per allied god. Skewer: Ares extend his spear, passing through all minions and damaging them. If the spear hits an enemy god, they are rooted and crippled for 1s while taking damage before being slowed for 2 additional seconds and taking 50% additional damage every 1s. Ares incurs no backpedal penalty for the duration. Initial Damage & Minion Damage: 35/60/85/100/125 (+25% of your magical power) Damage (Total): 70/120/170/220/270 (+50% of your magical power) Slow: 20% Cooldown: 14/13/12/11/10s Warlord Bonus: +2% slow per enemy god.

3: Oppression / Hellfire

Oppression: Ares dashes very shortly forward with his shield in front of him, damaging slightly knocking back the first enemy he hits. Dash Length: Artemis' Traps Knockback: 15 ft Damage: 50/80/120/160/200 (+35% of your magical power) Cooldown: 13s Warlord Bonus: +3 ft knock back for per allied god. Hellfire: Flames pour forth from Ares' shield, dealing damage every second for 4 seconds while debuffing the enemies' damage. Ares is immune to knockbacks for the duration. Damage: 15/25/35/45/55 (+10% of your magical power) Damage Reduction: 4/8/12/16/20% Damage Reduction Duration: 1s (refreshed per tick) Cooldown: 12s Warlord Bonus: 2% per enemy god

Ultimate: Change Formation

Ares changes formation. Defense Formation: 2/4/6/8/10% of all damage allied god within 35 ft of Ares take from enemy gods (pre-mitigated) is transferred to Ares and then mitigated. If Ares drops below 15% health, the effect is paused. Warlord Bonus: 1% per allied god. Offense Formation: Ares reduces the protection of all enemy gods within 35 ft of him by 4/8/12/16/20. Warlord Bonus: 3 per enemy god.

I'll explain my ideas tomorrow. Tell me your opinion.

Ok, I want him to be reworked in some way and I don't care if he keeps all of his skills as long as they are balanced, but his ultimate NEEDS to be removed!

Its so stupid, its literarily instant death if you don't buy beads. Every time is see an Ares on the enemy team I always go "Huuuuuuuuuaaagh!" because I know that I HAVE to buy beads (forcing me to waste and active and gold) no matter what role I am playing AND I have to save it for when Ares ults, if I use beads for anything else and I risk getting pulled which as I said 90% of the time instant death. Its even more annoying in assault since you already HAVE to buy Salvation, bye bye actives!

I like Jord's ideas.

I like it, but it feels like too much of a radical change. It's nice on a new god, but for now, I think we should focus on keeping Shackles, at the very least. The Warlord bonuses can still apply (replacing his ult and his Bolster Defenses), and you've already got a flame replacement.