Balancing Discussion: The Real Deal

If he gets a rework I want him to keep Shackles.

Than don't participate in the Ares discussion. Don't read this the wrong way, I don't mean to offend you or sound condescending - just wait until we move on. Because now, as I and most of the rest of the Smite community see it, Ares is just... bad. It doesn't mean you can't play him well, it doesn't mean he isn't fun. It just means that he cannot compete as well with the rest of the Guardians aside from Hades.

I agree on only one argument that Ares has a passive which doesn't match his guardian status. It sounds like that of a mage warrior!..I think his damage and peel is good if played well. I don't think he needs a total rework. For me he consumes a lot of mana early on which hampers him to use skills and level up fast enough. Use skills 1, 2 and 3 and all his mana gone. He consumes too much fuel for a tank and delivers less. His early game is pretty bad.

I think I (and the rest who think Ares's kit is fine as is (minus some numbers)) should also have our say on the matter.

What?

Ares has no mana problems. You should never use Bolster Defenses in lane except for when you initiate or defend yourself from attacks. You should only use Searing Flesh if you have landed Shackles.

If you can't control Ares' mana usage than you don't know how to control general mana usage in Smite, because he almost never uses abilities to clear waves, as he shouldn't.

Ares' early game isn't weak. It's really really strong. Because of the insane base damage on Shackles, he can completely wreck any enemy. He can take down more than 50% of their health. Their damage somewhat falls off late game because usually Ares won't build much damage. But when coupled with an item like Spear of the Magus, they can easily deal true damage, in addition to the many ticks Searing Flesh provides, which apply its passive instantly.

Ares' strongest point is his early-mid game. His critical mass is somewhere between levels 7-10, where he can literally 100-0 any Mage with 3 well timed Shackles and Searing Flesh.



Well, I get your point, but, then again, you can't really prevent us from suggesting his reworks. There some people who like Ares the way he is, which is fine. But most of the community feels like he deserves a rework.

Much like there are people who want old Kali. But old Kali had a lot of problems. She was the only character in SMITE history to have absolutely no CC whatsoever. Her blood lash was ******ed, but she had low mobility for a someone who needs to get some auto attacks, and her ultimate was purely used for CC immunity, while being very, very long (5s) and she couldn't attack at that time. And her ult's damage so avoidable and therefore ineffective. She was basically "Imma Blood Lash you for half of your health and then do nothing but heal myself up and become immune to CC while dealing no damage."

Bottom line - her kit had flaws, much like Ares has. Some people still want old Kali. New Kali also has her downfalls, don't get me wrong, but at least she has somewhat of a flow and effectiveness other than "press '2'".


Ares is in a position where he is not a Guardian, but also not a Mage. He is a magical bruiser, but he isn't so good at it either. In Arena, he is freaking amazing if you can land that skill shot. But in Conquest, which is the main focus, he just doesn't bring enough.

He has no clear and is too reliant on his Shackles to become a Mage, on top of the pathetic damage Searing Flesh does before maxing it, or at least leveling it to 3.

He has poor peeling and not so much of a support as a Guardian. Searing Flesh does nothing for him, as well as his passive. His ultimate is easily avoided, and not only because of beads, but because more than half of the gods in this game get CC immunity from their ultimates. His Bolster Defenses is nice, but because what Ares does is damage, you'd want to max Shackles and Searing Flesh ASAP, and so it only becomes a factor late game, and late game 60 protections isn't that much when anybody can kill anybody with 3 auto attacks or a single ultimate.


I like playing Ares too, but he deserves his rework. He deserves to be effective outside of the laning phase, which is already very short for Guardians. He is amazing in Arena if you actually don't build him as an ult bot but as a magical bruiser, but in Conquest, he just doesn't have it.

You can comment all you want about how you want to keep him, but I don't think that it's worth anything and won't prevent us from suggesting ideas and discussing them...