Balancing Discussion: The Real Deal

Although I've been absent from this thread, I'd like to say that Nemesis really isn't that bad. Her clear speed isn't bad. Her 2 isn't insanely underpowered and she has a pretty decent kit.

I'm not sure about her passive which may need a slight change, her double dash is great, her 2 is fine, her shield could use some touch ups, and her 4 is fine. Slice and Dice doesn't have the highest numbers, but the fact that you give a 50% slow on that is pretty good. Sure it,s countered by Greater Sprint but when I play her not many people actually grab it along Sith their current active. That alone will let you use your Argo attacks, apply your passive, and use your ultimate when their Sprint runs out. You're fast, they're slow. Doesn't matter if you lack pure damage, you'll still be able to inflict a sufficient amount.

Personally, the only changes I'd do is reduce some of her cooldowns by not too much and maybe change the passive a little.

Excuse typos and sloppiness I typed it on my phone

Have you been following the SPL? Nemesis has been a frequent and effective pick for dealing with bulky, hard to kill solo laners like Herc, Vamana, Zhong Kui and Chaac. She also has a lot of utility and can snowball rather well.

Oh wow I didn't read the intro but that's very much untrue.
She is not below-average at all.

Can you stop quoting tournament statistics at me?

In the NA Pro League Kick-Off, she was picked four times. However, one must consider the bans - Thor, Loki, and Mercury were banned more or an equal amount of times. So, if you had to pick from a list of mediocre junglers, you would probably pick the best of them, but that doesn't stop them from being mediocre.

And try playing her. Her clear is complete garbage - and I'm the guy who jungled with Old Wa and ****ing Bacchus, so I know a lot about slow clear speeds.

Everyone has ****ing utility in this game. When every assassin has hard CC, everyone has utility. Also, everyone snowballs well in this game, so Nemesis is nothing special.


Why?

I'm not really seeing the point of him making that big fancy list on the front page if we aren't even following it.

I dunno, Jord seems to have died or something.

Nemesis doesn't have that bad clear speed as you say Sub. I jungle quite often and can say a handful of gods have slower clear speeds. What have you been building on her?

Auto-attack the camp, get everyone in the middle and make sure to have some attack speed;preferably from Qin's Sais which works great on her and clear speed is average. And even if you say it's bad, her mobility makes up for it.


I c what you did there

Mask, Warrior Tabi. Then pretty much whatever. Whether it's Heartseeker, or Golden Bow, or The Executioner, or Asi, or Devo Gloves, or ANYTHING, her clear speed is still complete poop compared to all the other assassins.

Seriously, I legitimately have no idea who has worse clear speed. Try naming some.

Loki's clear at the beginning is kind of poop.

Kali's clear speed in pretty bad as well.

Anyways, because of her slow and her 1 she can basically chase everyone around the map.
Clear speed is also fine imo, I don't play her too much.
Her passive however, is just pure ****.
Her 2 is kinda weak in damage.
Her 3 is fine.
And her ult is fine too.

Why is she even on this list?
You're just adding gods that weren't on the original list, and those gods were there for a reason.