Smash 4 General Disucssion

Tier List are gimp on SSB and always have been.

Some of the top tiers are not gimp

but before Jiggly Puff used to be low tier, then one of the pros starting picking her and she was Top Tier....

All SSB seem to do the same, when a pro starts to play with a lower tiered character they become top tier automatically...

Just like with that jiggly puff.

How is sheik though on the new SSB?

My friend always mained Shiek I always mained Captain Falcon

I know she can't transform into Zelda no more.

I did main Wolf on Brawl but the a holes took him off

You're forgetting the fact that a different game does not mean the game is a lot worse. The two different games have two different ways in which skill can be demonstrated.

Also, I really hope you realise that what your 'friend' says really doesn't help back up what you're saying. Your evidence is STILL completely subjective.

Facts please get it right

Simple question

On average what is the average combo you do in the new smash

Don't ignore.

I pretty much gave you a reply to your question, so I'm just going to post the exact same thing I posted before.

You're forgetting the fact that a different game does not mean the game is a lot worse. The two different games have two different ways in which skill can be demonstrated.

Also, I really hope you realise that what your 'friend' says really doesn't help back up what you're saying. Your evidence is STILL completely subjective.

(Funny how you want facts, yet a major piece of evidence you use is based on what your 'friend' thinks of the game)

ICEN, if you can't stomp new players, it's not them having an easier time, it's you being worse than you think you are.

IGN is Subzero008. FIGHT ME CHILD

Yes, "you can't combo are far" or "no more L-Cancelling" ARE objective statements, but we're ARE NOT discussing those.

We're talking about how you think "wavedashing is gone" or "everyone is slower" means the game takes less skill now, which is a subjective opinion and can therefore be debated.

You assume that because its not Melee that I'm not going to be able to stomp any of you lol.

It may not be Melee but its still SSB and I once I get used to the differences I will just stomp all over again in less than 8 hours.

I have the Wii U version, and live on the PST clock. It's also Christmas Break, so I can play most of the time.

I want a spectate system and a box of popcorn

you buy the popcorn? i buy the drinks?

Can I join too? I'll bring the cookies. I have so many.