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Bring your speed camp closer to your mid's red buff, clear buffs together to reach lvl 2, clear the next back camp then stealth into mid, use relic to debuff enemy then kill the enemy mid with your 1 and 3
Max out his ability damage along with good cool-down reduction
Sell boots for situational items late game
Bloodforge - Good lifesteal and shield passive on kills
Serrated Edge - Good pen and bonus power when on cooldown
Soul Eater - Lifesteal with good pen
Dominance - 20% Pen for your AA, good for attack cancels
Blink to an enemy while in stealth to burn them then apply the bleed from your stealth ability, this will one shot any backlines mid game.
Tap each threat level to view Loki’s threats
Tap each synergy level to view Loki’s synergies
NEW SKILLS COMBOS
You still have one shot potential given loki's AA buff back to 100% but the rework for now--its best you just do these ability combos for successful ganks.
First, for GANKING
1>>AA>>2>>AA>>3
or
1>>AA>>2>>AA(if building crit)
Vanish before using your 2 when entering the lane. Enemies upon seeing your 2 will run away from the AOE and try to escape, thats where you would sneak behind them AA to get the bleed from your 1 and as theyre leaving do your 3 since it has range and can do BEHIND YOU damage.
Second, for TEAMFIGHTS
2>>3
If youre going against your enemy jungler and mid. Put down your 2 to box in or disperse your enemies and pick off either target with your 3, if they decide to step into your 2 and take the blind and passive dmg then immediately do your 3 and do lots of damage when boxing with them. If you build Brawlers,Crusher, or Heartseeker; His 2 is great for range application so enemies cant heal from a distance when battling against Mages or Hunters
Last, the ULTIMATE combo
1>>2>>ULT>>3
This is your all-in combo to fully kill your target.
Vanish to sneak up on them, activate your 2 to distract them and deter them away from escaping, immediately ult them to cripple and stun them in your 2 AOE zone, from there they will be blinded and take damage from your 3 and the bonus 20% passive damage. Boom, that final heavy strike from your 3 will finish them off
PROS
ATTENTION
This rework is definitely changing up the way people approach Loki, some will hate it and some will be relieved. Majority will say its a buff and makes Loki a B-A+ tier God now. Loki mains will split over this but that was predictable. As a main myself, Its acceptable. Im not in love with it but its a for-the-better change in Loki's kit. Its just that theres so much MORE potential they couldve gave this loki rework but HiRez was afraid their playerbase is stuck with PTSD of old loki so its like they feel if they buff him then its back to the drawing board cuz people will hate it and say hes broken. As you saw in the notes below each ability, there were suggestions on how to improve the kit instead of just bumping dmg numbers but will HiRez listen? Not likely, whatever makes them more money. Loki's new kit couldve been alot better if they stuck with more Lore-wise abilities and more trickery and deceit instead of just this slow poke of a rework that barely covers any abilities of deceit. The Morrigan is more of Loki than Loki himself. And thats just sad. Who knows how theyll change him, im not holding any hopes but im still open for discussions on how to improve the kit.
The problems before still exist today, its just a whole nerf to his kit to slow down those problems. Noobs using new loki will experience the same they did back with old loki considering how easy his kit is to use and how easy it will be for experienced players to counter him. Loki can still pubstomp but higher ranks will know better to have picked a better jungler on their team to be 2 steps ahead.
i am gonna miss proxy laning to troll the enemy team...goodbye old loki
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I'll list the general items you should consider.
Build without Trans: Jotunn's -> Crusher/BBS -> Hydra's -> HS -> TB/Serrated -> Brooch/BF
Other combos or orders will work just fine also.
these are standard damage builds, how evet they aren't the best for him.
edit: the explanation and stuff is amazing, but i think the builds should be changed as if rn loki uses trans and other items.
Just as quick reference, here's an Incon game with him using 5 of the 6 items (and in roughly the same order) as Erin's build. And no, I don't think these item choices are bad.
Cosplayer, your universal comment about the build being bad (e.g. "these items are horrendous") again should be better clarified, because if I'm looking at your build, 4 of the 6 items are shared between your build and Erin's, and Erin does have notes for switching out Aron w/ either Crusher or Brawler's (with Crusher being one of the items in your build). Yes, to clarify, item order is important, and I feel Hydra's is better than Aron at this point, at least for
In any case, I hope you both can figure out how to be respectful and have a constructive discussion.
But what i said is probably the best loki build for jungle.
But apparently you enjoy being toxic by insulting others while being unable to actually explain your reasons and massively overgeneralizing your statements as many these days do.
****erErin, I would suggest changing Aron. While it was a strong overall item for junglers previously, power buffs to the various items that are currently core for Loki make
i recommend checking this out
- I personally see a lot of loki players building
- Also if you're juggling I wouldn't recommend building
- I like the addition of
-Moving onto the Crit build. Idk why you have
- Also you mentioned the Crit build should only be used in the jungle because of how expensive the items are. Why is that though? Isnt it the other way around? In Solo you gain the most amount of gold, so you'd come online quicker in the Solo lane than Jungle. I'd prefer going Crit in solo than Jungle.
-Finally Moving onto your last builds: Tanky/Split-push builds. So these must be troll builds right? I do not see any loki player building this, you'd be completely useless, even if you build this as support. His kit is made to do damage and these builds just don't cut it.
-Also you mentioned this is also for split-pushing, there 0% penetration on any of those builds so idk how you're gonna take down objectives. If you want to split push I really enjoy your "backdoor" build on the first page, it provides max % pen and attack speed, plus
Let me know if you disagree on anything! Just giving my opinions and what works :D
-Transcendence is for the big mana and power buff it gives when stacked, thats why i said get it instead of the blessing to get it stacked early
-Soul Eater is underestimated indeed. Great for ability damage and heals
-Heartseeker for crit is interchangeable with Titans, its an option there just in case you want the 65 power and 200 mana. Titans Bane is the way to go if youre just one shotting.
-Crit should be only in the jungle cuz the solo meta right now with the recent buffs to warriors items make its difficult to go against warriors. Thats why the Tanky Bruiser build was made cuz there you actually have a chance
-No im not trolling, with that build, i won almost every game ive gone into solo lane. Loki can be a bruiser since youre getting arondight, glad shield, and sledge. Also loki support is a no go. No peels or heavy CCs. You rely on your 2 and ult so much.
-As for split-pushing, yes you can go with the backdoor build i put if youre going solo lane. You can replace glad shield w/ berzerkers if youd like. Just get the Belt of Frenzy and youll be fine with the Bruiser Build.
Again these are all build that work CURRENTLY and that worked in PTS. So dont knock em til you try it. They work for me and people i advised to build when trying loki for the first time. This guide will update when it needs to, if theres a new build im trying that works better than the ones listed, then ill update it and add it.
- I Understand Trans provides a bigger mana pool cause Loki is a hungry monster when it comes to mana, but I think having Assasin's blessing helps with that problem. Plus like I said previously, it just takes too long to get online, and by the time you stack It, the jungler will probably have more burst potential and you'd be behind
- I'm still confused on the reasoning behind heartseeker? Isnt that Counter-intuitive though? You're trying to use as much autos on crit, not abilities, wit his new kit you actually want to ability cancel the 3 so you get another auto-attack faster when this build is fully online, which shows how bad this new loki re-work is.
- IF you're playing loki in solo, I don't think you should be fighting the warrior in the first place, your main priority in the solo lane is to PVE Farm and proxy, and get to rotating to mid and gank to your heart's content lol. Fighting the solo warrior just wastes time, when you could be doing other things.
- With regards to your tanky builds, I just can't believe those builds can be viable, or I need to see the build in action because I know for a fact in high MMR games this won't work. I'm not going to assume your MMR cause you might be in a high MMR but I'm just very doubtful this works in Master ranks. Regardless Loki is not available in ranked yet. Again might be totally wrong, but if it works for you then keep doing you.
Overall reading your Opinions on the new Kit, and as a loki main, I'm surprised you approve of this rework. For me personally, it's very bad. Im not salty or anything, I'm actually all for a loki rework, but this rework is complete ***.
The main reason Low-rez was doing the rework in the first place was to make his jungling better, provide more teamfight potential, and steer away from split pushing. And they only achieved one of those 3 which is making his jungling better, obviously, he clears jungle camps much better than before but that's all. His 1 got Nerfed hard cause they added that laugh sound, his 2 is supposed to provide more teamfight/AOE damage but its the worst ability in his kit because no one is gonna stand in that circle for more than 2 seconds, and his blind isnt actually a blind. His 3 is toooo long and not even CC immune? If you're building crit, and thats fully online its better to abilty cancel the 3 into an auto attack, which says a lot about this ability - useless other than for jungle camps. Finally his Ult just takes too long.
I know these are some points you mentioned and where he could receive buffs to make him better,I just feel like this is a huge downgrade, even if they buff him, people will start complaining and then he'll get nerfed to the ground again... Why not just revert back lol
Also the last thing I wanted to mention was your very last comment on missing his split pushing. I think hes a better split pusher than he was previously. Cause his auto chain got reverted, its faster to take down objectives, and not to mention the damage reduction on his 2 against the titan proves useful.
Overall Loki does the same exact thing as before but worse. I don't see any improvement in Teamfight potential as of now. But this is all subject to change.