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ICEN, i agree that there are some counters, but you did more than half of them wrong. All you did is just, dodge, your fault for giving hiim kills, don't get near. All this is impossible if enemy take something like creeping curse or blink. You even said some of them are strong and you don't state anything to counter them

Because I am not going to make a paragraph for each of those Gods.

Name me the ones you think are uncounterable or op

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uncounterable? hel. spoiler her healing is not the problem though she isnt what i consider fully OP just really annoying.

i havent played smite in a while so id dont know what is OP at the moment.

what is unbalenced is a lot of warriors who are so UP its not even funny, they dont have a place in the current game is how weak some are.

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Time to stop procrastinating and finally chime in.

I can't play Smite. My location just produces such an awful ping where if I'm not lagging ridiculously in game, I'm getting kicked out. It's ridiculous how badly the connection is. I often find myself joining about 3 minutes into the game, and just getting kicked out and unable to rejoin about 10 minutes later. This has led me to be too afraid to play Smite over the thought of disadvantaging my team mates in game and causing them to rage. Hence, I have stopped playing until I can play at an adequate level.

Personally, I feel like Smite's competitive scene is shaky. The game is not well-balanced. I often read these patch noted and just find myself questioning some of the decisions they are making. Additionally, it seems that with every release, the power creep just becomes greater and greater. They need to understand that if they have new ideas and want to introduce new things, it need to be in moderation. Cramming a ton of good ideas into one kit is not going to make a balanced game. They'll learn in time. League started off exactly like how Smite had started, a team of people who are confused in terms of what they should do to balance. I have high hopes that the game will be in a good state in due time.

League is the reverse. It has the competitive scene shoved so far up it's *** that it's reached it's brain, and that's all that dictates what happens in terms of balance changes. Solo queue is, for the most part, disregarded in terms of balance. You can't blame them for focusing on competitive. They want to ensure they maintain a healthy game for what is one of the biggest ESports scenes in the world right now. Of course, the game is balanced, but solo queue threats are disregarded if they are not competitively viable, and that makes for some unpleasant experiences.

What you can't deny is that both of them are hella fun. Balance doesn't matter when you play solely for enjoyment. Smite was incredibly enjoyable while I was able to play it. League is still enjoyable after playing it for over three years. In terms of gameplay, both deliver in their interesting kits coupled with pure PvP action. Of course, the communities are pretty horrific, but the mute function is enough to deal with those, and intelligent use of this mysterious function is enough to prevent that minor distraction from disrupting your enjoyment of the game.

Of course, if we're talking ranked, then, well, you can't do much if someone just purposely feeds. You can't do anything about that. Ranked, overall, becomes less fun of an experience with me, as people do not play to enjoy themselves, but play to gain elo. When there's something that you want to achieve thrown into the mix, well, the enjoyment slowly turns to stress.

This has gone from structured to mindless rambling, so I'll stop it here. Just know that I find both games incredibly enjoyable from a casual standpoint, but both do not deliver an optimal competitive experience.

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Hel? Out of all the people you pick you pick hel....

She is easy as hell to Gank. She has no escape and is only good against Gods that have to get close to her and have no escapes as well. When I see Hel I think to myself "My jungler is going to have a field day once she pushes too far up"

Every herd of weakening curse? Or divine ruin? Or any other healing reduction item?

She is one of the easiest mages to gank and kill and she is only a problem if she is super fed which is not a lot.

@HifromBuddah - I would love to hear the Gods you think are UP and unbalanced

You people calling Smite unbalanced seriously do not know what your talking about

MOST of the gods ARE balanced and only a select few you can argue are too strong or barely UP.
Not a lot though, you guys keep making it seem as though there are a **** load of Gods that are broken.

Let me Guess you would also call Tyr under powered would you not? I'm sure you would since he falls under the warrior UP idea.

That's why Devious one of the best pro solo's plays Tyr right, so UP that he plays him against pro teams and wins with him.

Tyr is not UP, he is balanced enough, his heal is decent for hitting 3 minions, it lets him stay in lane, his fearless combo chucks enough hp away that you can almost finish someone off with that combo by itself, he has high mobility, he can chase easy, he can escape easy.

Its not my fault people do not understand that these so called "UP GODS" are actually still Good.

Tyr could use a buff in healing at the very most, not because he is UP but because if you want to make the God more competitive or if you think people are not playing him then I guess buffing his heal by a TINY bit would help that and it would not break him because his heal does not effect his damage done.

Vamana ???? YOU PEOPLE were the exact!!! ONes!!!! Calling Vamana UP and garbage, now everyone is playing him in solo as a top pick..... funny how peoples views change once they understand how to play a God and see how strong they actually are.

That's why any time I see a Vamana on the other team he takes a dump 9/10 times, remember Vamana was a whack pick and low tier before.

Odin? He is not garbage, he is predictable but not garbage, I played with people from this Forum, I can't remember who it was with yesterday, I played Odin and went like 7-2 or something like that and I never played him before that patch.

Guan Yu is not UP either - That's why pros still play him, his heal is good enough to sustain his team (Which is why he is classified in as a healer now), his 3 is now good enough to make him playable, his ult still destroys everyone who does not escape it. He is not UP and he is not OP he is balanced where he is now, only some people say his passive needs a slight change because they don't like the fact you have to get hit to make use of his passive.

Hercules ? - First of all he DEF is not under powered and he DEF is not OP. Go play him in League and watch how you get wrecked from weakening curse, and was as you can't do much when your healing is not doing anything, and his healing is not even OP anymore, you can't complain about his healing and he still has all of his damage/CC, he is balanced where he is now.

Sun Wukong - He is sooo under powered... that's why ever SWK I see goes like 13-3 in matches...
His 1 could use more damage but he is still good to use. Its not as if he is unplayable or so bad you can never get a kill with him, that's why everyone rekets with over 10 kills.

Osiris - ? - Um, he is not UP either, neither is he OP. He is either strong or not strong depending on who you are facing and how you play him.

Chaac - ? He is DEF not under powered, if anyone thinks Chaac is UP what the Hell have you been playing because you surely have not been playing smite!!! Many people think he is balanced, what does he have outside of his poke? Not much really, he can't do much besides throw a axe at you and ult you for a kill. Nobody really buys crit on him so nobody autos you to deal like assassins. I wouldn't call Chaac OP either, he is just strong but balanced enough to where he is just a strong pick.

MOST of the warriors are NOT UP.

All of them are actually playable and balanced, and most of them get picked up by PRO teams, only like SWK or Tyr could you say could use a slight buff if you wanted to buff them at all, SWK 1 damage and Tyr healing a bit more. That is all.

There is not much balance issues.

I don't even think you people are playing Smite because I want to see this balanced problems all of you keep talking about.

There is only a things that are unbalanced, but for you guys to sit here and act like a whole class is unbalanced or OP is funny. If that where the case everyone would be playing all these OP Gods.

*These are the few Gods you can even try to complain about*

- Apollo
- Cabrakan (UP)
- Freya
- Geb's shield ONLY (Can't complain outside of his shield)
- Merc if you think he is still compliable

These ones to complain are the less complained
- Serqet
- AMC (Some people think needs a small buff in mobility)

THat is like 7 Gods that you can even try to complain about with some truth

That leaves like ****in 51 Gods that are balanced

So you people are crying about 7 Out of 51 Gods ????

SO explain how the **** Smite is mainly unbalanced when 51 of the Gods are perfectly balanced (For the most part) does not really need a nerf or buff, are all viable and can be played well for the most part.

Only a select few are either UP or slightly OP in terms of what they can do

First Ban Gods are not First ban because they are OP, they are first ban because they are the best damn picks and provide something that someone wants like a global ult on Athena or the taunt. Some of the first ban Gods are in that select few you can complain about but half the first ban gods are banned simply because they are strong picks or banning out counter picks.

I see the pros ban vamana all the time, I see them ban Zhong all the time, I see them ban, Loki, I see them ban hebo, I see them ban damn Anhur from crying out loud.

Most of the pros ban based on what the other team is good with, half of the time they don't simply insta bans Gods that are top picks.

Now explain how majority of the **** in Smite is unbalanced when like 51 of the Gods are not UP or OP.

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OH you can add 1-3 more Gods if you would like, **** it add Nu wa, Athena and anyone else, it stills like 49 Gods that are balanced

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hey you didn't give me any spesific scenario's so i chose in a strict 1v1. i already said that the countering her heal is the last of my problem's. she farms to safe, aoe burst skill hits like a truck and cant be dodged if she is only a little bit faster (for which she has a movement speed buff).

and even if i were to see countering her healing as a problem, i would get behind by getting creeping curse for my lane when no one on the remaining team has heavy healing in items which again would lead to her burst.

and i rather get an aegis for the remaining burst or a beads because cc for everyone is what smite is about.

counter building can some times just not be an option which is why when some one asks me who is uncounterable i say hel because her burst aoe just can't be dodged through pure escape skill of the player them selfes.

countering i see in play style, not in items.

as for the part about the jungler. did junglers ever gank solo lane is smite? like... ever? because i sure as hell only saw a jungler that wasn't my friend do it once every 30ish games...for the junglers in casual the map stops at a blue buffs on one side of the map behind that lies something they dont know called solo lane...

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Odin is most certainly not UP. His ****ing shield nuke is crazy OP. I have to disagree about Guan and his heal though. His heal is ****. It has no scaling, and even at the max level it is barely enough to make the bar move on a mage with no health items. It's a joke to everybody else. And the passive really is worthless, because the damage you take in order to charge it up will far exceed the healing you'll get in return.

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sigh* time to rerail this before it turns into another smite balencing thread. ICEN why do you think you need to get on the soap(troll)box?

okay for my next comparison i am going to ask one thing. please ignore ICEN if he says smite is better in everyway for *insert ignorant reason*.

what moba's do you think have better disigned characters?

i would say a lot of older smite were very good but some of the new characters like ullr, scylla, sylvanus,etc. (exeption being janus) are either badly disigned or just really boring.

old league's characters weren't as great though weren't bad just a little boring some times like garen (i love him but come on he is boring). ryze being pure lock on while the new league characters like new sion, azir, gnar and jinx being very well disigned.

and dawngate which always takes its time for disign has some pretty bland copying but makes up for that by changing it good enough to completely change the play style.

(seriously here is cerulean's kit. q: spins weapon that applies an extra effect if hit on the bladed part at the edge being a slow, w self buff in the form of extra defence, e: flip enemy behind cerulean, r: cerulean dunks some one dealing damage and healing more based on the enemies missing HP... darius do you even dunk bro?) (or kindra).

but the characters that are completely unique are really cool like viridian who has so many freaking stabbing done to people that they have more holes then swiss cheese and freia... oh freia has one of the coolest mechanics in a moba ever with her rage which she uses to cast abilities.

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I like Smite's characters solely because they're actual figures from mythology, and I've always been a big fan of various different mythologies, so seeing them translated into game is pretty fun. I agree that some of the newer ones don't seem all that special, but for the most part, I think, despite all their balancing faults, HiRez does pretty well with handling each mythological character, giving them a personality that usually fits pretty well with each character, and a skillset that, at the very least, pays homage to the character or stories behind the characters. Again, this is for the most part. Some of them are a bit iffy to me. I mean, I love Isis, but the whole theme of her jokes and stuff revolving around chickens and wings and stuff? Bleh.

I really like LoL characters, despite not knowing too many of them. The ones I do know are very unique, and it's fun reading the lore behind them, how they fit into the entire game, and how the interact with other characters. Smite does have a small snippet of lore behind each character, but it's not really that entertaining, considering you can just go read what they write on a Wikipedia page or something. Plus, there is very little actually connecting each character in terms of the game. There are some connections that are based on the mythology behind the characters, but Smite just doesn't have any lore to connect everyone together. That's one thing I respect about LoL a lot, is that the artistic side of making each character isn't just the visuals of the character. They also have people crafting the story of the character and how they interact with others and their purpose in the game. At least, I'm assuming this much because that's what I've seen with the characters I know and have bothered looking into.

Dawngate, from what I've been told, is also rich in lore. Sub has told me about Kindra, who sounds interesting, and when I tried playing it (and with Smite being a ***** to me, I'm seriously thinking of trying it again), I looked into Sakari, and the lore behind her seemed pretty interesting. I don't know much about the picture as a whole, but from what I've seen, I'm sure it has great potential as far as characters and lore goes.

Granted, it's a lot easier to make connections to the big story, other characters, and such when you're creating your own characters, rather than grabbing them from actual characters, but I do give LoL points for being better at writing their characters than Smite. Though, as I don't play LoL and know even less about DG, I'm not an expert on those games. Like I said before, I think HiRez does a good job for the most part with taking these characters and translating them into the game. I wish we could have some extensive lore about the game and why they're fighting, but it's not really needed to make Smite an entertaining game with fun characters.

This whole response pretty much went to just the written aspect of each character rather than their looks, but lore is still part of design.

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Ironically, their portrayal of most of the gods/heroes/mythical creatures is one of the things I dislike the most about the game (as the regulars on Smitefire know all too well by now). The vast majority (if not every single one of) the gods are either portrayed blatantly wrong (as was the case for Ao Kuang) or wrong enough to be bothersome (Hercules, Chaac [as much as I love him anyway], Ares, almost literally everybody else)

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