Let's Make Patch Notes - Mages

Well... I guess we're out of ideas about Goobis. Pandr & Darkjaw still haven't shared their ideas and thoughts about changing him, so I'll just put a summary for Goobis so far, we'll move on and if they want to share their ideas, they can re-open this subject.





Moving on. Vulcan.

The only problem with Vulcan, ATM, in my opinion, is his passive. Basically, he has got a passive. It's the worst in the game. His auto attacks aren't "smooth" like those of Scylla, and it doesn't fit his kit.

My ideas:

New Passive: Forged Mark

1) Enemy gods that are hit by Vulcan's basic attacks and/or Backfire are marked. Inferno Cannon prioritizes marked enemies and attacks them. The turret can fire at a 360* radius against a forged mark. The turret refreshes its target if a new enemy god is hit by Vulcan's auto attacks and/or Backfire.



2) Make his auto-attacks melee again. Then, much like the first idea, make his auto attacks and Backfire mark the target for the turret to shoot at them at a 360* radius. On top of that, the turret gains 10% extra damage and penetration against marked targets.

Eh, this doesn't solve anything. I want to make a passive that's useful and synergizes with his kit. Your passive and the old one just shove in some basic attack synergy that doesn't exist.

Seriously:

Backfire shoves him away from the range of basic attacks

Inferno Cannon is an automated attack, far from the range of basics.

Magma Bomb can be used within basic attack range, but it knocks them in an unpredictable direction, making it more difficult to hit with basics, as well as being very long range.

I think a better idea would be to do something about his turret. For example:


Since Vulcans typically save their ultimate for when they need it, instead of burning it for any old engagement like Nu Wa's or Ra's, I thought this would work as a small buff, and adding more synergy with his attacks. (Also, Inferno Cannon seriously needed a buff. It's pretty much useless in its current state.)

*Yes, I know I suck at naming things.

Okay. I see your point.

As for the range increase, do you mean the range in which you can use abilities, i.e Magma Bomb & Backfire? Because the meatball already has insane range. The poke is ridiculous. I think that you should increase the range on Backfire if you mean to do it. Other than that I'm okay with your idea.

I would like to mention that I still want the turret to attack marked targets in a 360* radius. I think it'll be much better than the 10% damage increase, since people are rarely hit more than once by the turret. (Backfire only marks, not basic attacks like I've suggested).

Also, do you think that the turret should lifesteal?

Well, I don't think it should. If it started applying on-hit effects... Gem of Isolation. That's all I have to say.

Edit: The range increase is really small. 55 feet is a ranged basic, and I think 13 feet the longest melee basic attack range (don't quote me on that). But if it bothers you, yeah, make it apply only to Backfire.

Uh, you could have just said, "I think his passive is the only thing that needs changing." No one here has even suggested changing anything else.

A. If you are going to introduce another turret, then please don't tie it with basic attacks. Wasn't there already a small discussion about basic attacks and Vulcan? But other than that, this sounds like a cool idea.

B. No, this idea is pretty dumb. For one, what use is a passive that only applies 1% of the time? Also, this just encourages more Vulcans to use their ultimate for utility. If there is a SINGLE ultimate that is NOT to be used for utility, it's this one.

- wat I could hav said is utter useless to be critical on.. i tried to sum up wat jordenito and u suggested giving reasons for my contradictory views. If it displeases you so much, I can quit this thread too.

- My idea could be useless fine no issues with that.

EDIT: But the nonsense critical language u using these days might not get a lot of buyers.

Small report: Zeus' Chain Lightning is indeed a big source of his damage, often exceeding the damage from Detonate Charge, at least on the death report. Also, the Ullr patch seems to have made it bugged to arc more than 4 times.

Edit: Tested it,; false alarm. ****.

Note that it's spread out among people though, and is often absorbed by minions or a gap just springs up enough to make it disappear. It's definitely better than detonate charge, but even with how detonate charge needs to accrue stacks, chain lightning is oddly less reliably more damage.

I find zeus ok after the swing progression nerf. He already has 0 escapes and is ruined by caster physical like Fenrir and Tyr. He's ok imo.

Not really. His turret is the squishiest thing of all times. And usually, players won't level max it first, because they'll lose a lot of the burst & wave clear, and if someone takes down their turret when they maxed it first, then you lose a lot of your damage. Seriously, it's like two auto attacks and it's dead.

Sure, late game, you can say it'll be op. It deals half the damage of Magma Bomb per shot. True, but then again, late game, everyone can easily 1 shot you. Late game, you can take down 70% of a squishie's health just with Magma Bomb & Backfire. So if you land them, enemies won't stick around, probably. And if you miss them, it compensates a little bit for that. And don't forget, the turret hitting in a 360* applies only to the marked target, for the target to be marked you must hit Backfire.

The turret is fairly underpowered ATM. It's just too squishy and doesn't land more than one fireball. It's mainly used to zoning. Sure, it shines when you attack the GF or FG, but it just doesn't do enough.

Even if the damage is unreliable, it always seems to hit at least twice. Twice means 410 damage + 80% on an ability with an 8 second cooldown, not to mention two charges. I don't think a utility skill like this should be that strong, especially when you consider that Detonate Charge is already very strong.

I've died from his Chain Lightning a lot of times, and even WITH minions nearby. For some odd reason, it deals more damage than Detonate most of the time(You can press I for the death report and damage numbers breakdown), except in late game where Detonate Charge is maxed.

I'm honestly just sick of procing two unavoidable charges from his ultimate, even if it's not centered on me, then being hit with another unavoidable Chain Lightning and being killed.

A possible fix is really simple, too: Just make it so that Chain Lightning can only bounce to a target once, and definitely reduce the range of the bounces (I was recently killed as Ullr when it bounced from the Sand Guardian to me, at the edge of the water circle). His waveclear is unchanged, but his damage is. Because currently, it is way too easy to kill things with Zeus. The thing about basic attacks is supposed to be a restriction, but when he can give full charges on you without entering basic attack range, it gets really ****ing annoying.