Let's Make Patch Notes - Items

When did this derail into an argument of the viability of Protected Recall?

Is this an indirect way of telling me to move on?

I think so.

I think that Hi-Rez are creative enough to create more items out of the blue. We don't really need to make the work for them in this matter, though a good, innovative idea may be useful. But I really think we should move on. Maybe to a new thread, I think you said you wanted to do Guardians next.

I was more discussing the reasoning for some certain items to even be in the game at all.

But look at the proposed items. Items with crit and attack speed. Or crit and pen. Crit and power. With those you could have it all with maxed crit. That would be super dumb.

Well, they don't give you as good of stats as you would in buying straight pen items, straight power items, etc.

Here's the specifics; a quick recap.

We made two branches of crit items; for hunters and warriors.

No offense, but the items recently released have been less than inspiring. Malice being a near-straight up upgrade to Rage, the monster that is Qin's Sais, the mess of Shard and Shielded Teleport, etc etc.

But I agree with your sentiment.

Okay, next topic: Golden Bow.

The problem with this item is the passive is pretty underwhelming, the stats make no sense, and its generally overpriced.

We can go several paths.

1. Raise or lower the price until it fits the item.
   
   
2. Adjust stats like crit chance to make it a good crit item, or movement speed to make the bonus actually mean something, etc.
   
   
3. Remove stats like movement speed or crit chance to make it a more focused item.
   
   
4. Add stats like lifesteal or attack speed to radically alter this item.
   
   
5. Adjust the passive, perhaps to apply lifesteal or other on-hit effects.
   
   
6. I think that's it.

I'm a fan of making it more like Ravenous Hydra, making it have lifesteal and making the passive apply lifesteal. But you guys might want something else.

Let's do it this way. We format it like an item idea, and give reasons for the change. Remember, we aren't HiRez.

My Reworked Golden Bow:

+10/20/30 physical power
+5/10/15% lifesteal
+8/14/20 Hp5

Cost: 830/1850/2600

Passive: Your basic attacks deal 50% damage in a 15-foot circle around the target. Lifesteal applies to this additional damage, but not other on-hit effects.

Why? There is one reason you would buy Golden Bow: To clear minion waves and/or jungle camps faster and easier. Therefore, lifesteal and Hp5 would synergize well with that purpose of having an easier time in-lane. I removed the crit chance and movement speed because they offered so little, it was practically negligible.

Putting this here.

Really like your idea. Maybe we can do another branch of this item to fit against gods instead of framing creeps:

Enchanted Bow
10/20/30 Physical Power
5/10/15% Attack Speed
5/10/15 Physical Penetration

Passive: Your basic attacks deal 50% damage in a 15-foot circle around the target. On-hit effects apply, but lifesteal doesn't.