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Dissecting Smite #1: Oversexualization, Stereotyping, Double-Standards, and Other Misogyny in Smite

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by All4Games » December 22, 2014 3:44am | Report
@sub, fight over. pm if you want to continue.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Zanestorm » December 22, 2014 3:56am | Report
Smite is far from the original lore in many ways [like why would there be a battleground of deities in the first place] but in others it isn't [personal lore of deities are based on real interpretations therein.] Obviously some things make no sense from a rational perspective but do from a gameplay perspective - I.E Armour.

If Gods that wore armour naturally had more defense in the game, that would be insane to balance. Ymir would be pretty much immortal unless vs a flame God, in which case he'd die immediately - Deities like Ares would have hundreds of armour at the start of the match, whereas deities like Aphrodite would get none. From a gameplay perspective, it makes sense that a deities aesthetic doesn't actually contribute to their defense or offense.

On that basis - in the context of the video-game itself - there is no reason for a deity to dress in any particular way. They can't die in the game, nor would their clothes help them either way. If some then choose to dress in a sexual way, that is permissible within the context of the game itself - immortal, clothes don't matter, neither do weapons.

I said the gods aren't bickering over fashion because they're fighting in a war. That doesn't mean they aren't in competition, it just means that there is no point in-game in which two deities stop fighting to bicker over their fashion sense.

Agreed that mythology stories clash with others. In some interpretations Athena takes pity on Arachne, in others she punishes her for representing the sins and the secrets of the Gods.

Their armour has no effect - at all - on their defensive capacity. Their class does. The armour they can buy does. We have no way of knowing whether deities like Neith would take pride in dressing sexually or be embarrassed, because they aren't sentient beings in the game and aren't known to be wandering about IRL.

I agree that they don't like losing. But their pre-game armour and weapons literally do nothing to give them benefits or downsides, so it isn't relevant. I think this entire problem wouldn't exist if Hi-rez had coded it so deities physically equip the items you buy in the shop that DO help them, but sadly they didn't do that [it'd be a nightmare to do, but cool as heck!]

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Chiulin » December 22, 2014 9:59am | Report
Zanestorm wrote:


On that basis - in the context of the video-game itself - there is no reason for a deity to dress in any particular way. They can't die in the game, nor would their clothes help them either way.


Actually, they die all the time. They even say lines like "ow". This could lead us to believe that gods die and are hurt in Smite, even though they come back to life. So armor seems like it would make sense.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Zanestorm » December 22, 2014 10:17am | Report
@Chiulin

The current clothes they are wearing don't contribute to their actual armour values as I've pointed out, so there's no reason for them to dress defensively as it would have no bearing on the outcome [it would add no defensive capacity in context of the game.] They aren't sentient, so don't feel pain. If they die *all the time* yet can still be played, it can be assumed they aren't truly dying at all.

If the current clothes they are wearing SHOULD contribute to their actual in-game defense, it would flat out break the game. Gods like Ymir and Ares would have hundreds of protections before the game even started. Gods like Neith would have none.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Devampi » December 22, 2014 11:11am | Report
Zanestorm wrote:

If they die *all the time* yet can still be played, it can be assumed they aren't truly dying at all.


maybe they are getting resurrected

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Zanestorm » December 22, 2014 11:22am | Report
Devampi wrote:

maybe they are getting resurrected


I wouldn't really count that as death, as they're guaranteed resurrection. Death is more final, really. It could be any number of things:
- These are spiritual forms. The physical Deity is elsewhere, so they can simply reform themselves. They expend power to do so, which is why the delay increases as they weaken. After each match they re-coup their losses and regenerate
- They're reincarnating continually as themselves
- They cannot truly be killed
- They haven't actually been killed on the battlefield - but can be killed
- They're resurrecting either from death or other means
- The Deities themselves *CAN* die, but the battlefield itself is resurrecting them eternally
- The Deities in this game are flat out immortal and impervious to death itself. [In some pantheons used this is true, others it isn't, most pantheons have this to a limited extent.]

But ultimately it could be any, a multiple or none of those theories. Unless Hi-rez comes out and flat-out states why the deities can appear to die yet continually come back, even when they lose a game or die 20+ times, we'll never know. The fact that they do come back however, is the main point. It means death isn't an issue for these Deities, beyond a minor time penalty.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » December 22, 2014 11:46am | Report
Devampi, please ****ing ignore him.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by dacoqrs » December 22, 2014 12:13pm | Report
Devampi, please ****ing ignore HIM ^.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Zanestorm » December 22, 2014 12:25pm | Report
^ Thank you. Users should feel safe to talk to anyone they want to, in PM or on a forum post. If you want to ignore me Devampi, by all means its your right. The same goes for anyone and everyone, on this thread and otherwise. But please do not do so just because another user takes exception to my argument. I'd like to think people are adults and can decide for themselves who they want to talk to, without being told.

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Firraria wrote:

But Zane, Sub told me not to talk to strangers. D:


I won't bite. I will post massive posts though. Arguably that's worse. :P

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Firraria » December 22, 2014 1:12pm | Report
But Zane, Sub told me not to talk to strangers. D:

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