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line gets drawn.

remember the SF alloy? from this point onward we will not discuss the topic between zane and sub. if that argument has to be finished you should do it through pm.

new topic. it's not logical for them to be wearing armor this ineffective from any possible standpoint. if the godessess wanted to be ****s they could have gone completely naked by they didn't. if they wanted to wear protection then this is highly innefficient protection.

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*Shrug* and maybe they didn't want to be completely naked and they're just wearing it as a fashion choice :P

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so when running into a place immortals could die they would rather look fabouless then look like they aren't going to die. remember in multiple lore's immortals aren't as unkillable as the name suggests and when an immortal does die the other immortals most of the time do not enjoy it because it takes fear from the nama away.

the fasion choice for gods like aphrodite who don't care about anything other then sex but for gods of wisdom and hun and war or fights i don't think they would just go fasionista when they are going to a place where they can die, it would be illogical.

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Well define "die"

Because no one truly dies in this game.

And who knows what the true intention of the battleground is?

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would say hirez knows but i know better then that.

no mather which way you put it there is some form of death even if temporary going on at the battlegrounds. if i'd be an immortal i would say even temporary death of an immortal would be pretty insulting.

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Got back to a **** storm about me [with the usual lies] and I'm told I'm not allowed to defend myself because sub/ch spammed the page. Fair.

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Deities aren't humans and don't have modern human concerns. Their armour is frequently a representation of themselves - not an efficient piece of gear. This also links to the limitations of a Moba itself - they cannot possibly represent the deities fairly in a battleground. Exaggerating the art within line with the lore [but also within the limits of their games rating aka not nude] is entirely reasonable.

Actually deities like Athena in their lore were shown to be incredibly envious of deities like Aphrodite and Arachne, so it isn't much of a stretch to imagine - if they had human concerns on our level - that Athena would adjust her clothing choices to compete with Aphrodite's.

Deities don't actually die in this game, they respawn. And what they wear prior to entering lacks the magical potency to defend against another God. In terms of lore within Smite, you may as well treat every deity as naked at the start of a match. Any item potent enough to deal with another God has to be purchased - including armour - no God innately gets to wear armour with protections [although certain classes get higher protections.] We can therefore assume that in the canon of smite, the artefacts that can empower the deities with regards to battle can only be found on the battlefield, not prior to it.

Since their armour - prior to entering the battlefield - has no bearing on the outcome of the fight, it literally does not matter what they are wearing. And whilst that can be taken as evidence to suit them up, it can just as easily be used to justify more risque deity representation. As that is the status quo; we then lack a reason within the canon of the game and real-world deity lore to change it. I would argue that there is nothing wrong with what any deity is wearing, as the logic of both the game itself and the lore outside of the game both support flippant fashion sense amongst Gods and Goddesses.

There is also more to be said on the fact that deities are incredibly competitive. If female deities are presenting themselves in a risque way, that would naturally spur other female deities to compete [as most Greek/Roman deities especially often displayed hyper-competitiveness and jealousy.] Male deities aren't by and large dressed in a risque way, so the other male deities wouldn't feel like they're competing in that regard.

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you are allowed to defend your self, in a pm, in this thread we are done with that. i warned you in page 22 and 23 and you said your self you wanted to try and end it earlier, well the pages are full and that conversation is over.

deities in this game for the most, look like humans, talk like humans, act like humans and some of them are actual humans... i will look at them as humans.

athena is also not an idiot, if she wouldn't put her own life on the line just because she is jealous of aphro tits. if she would do it to out of envy she would not wear any armor at all because she would try to upstage her. she wouldn't be able to upstage her in her current clothing because to **** out aphro you need to go full naked or full fetish. athena doesn't do that, she doesn't try to upstage aphro.

they die and respawn, still death.

they absorb the power of the items they by, that is pretty much the theory for what happens in any moba with the items they buy and i accept that for smite as well. here is the thing, why would they buy items that give them more survivablity yet not wear any actual armor... the stats i chok up to game mechanics that the characters may or may not be completely aware of. but they do get natural protections, i think those natural protections represent the defense they have when coming into a fight, wearing armor should be seen as that, they wear incredibly illogical armor but still armor.

if they truely cared about fashion none of them would even try to wear armor. if they cared about surviving they would wear armor, they care about surviving because A: they can die though they respawn and B: they are in a fight that they can lose if they constantly die.

gods don't like losing or dying in anyway... it's logical for them to wear armor but the armor they wear is illogical.

gods are competitive yes, they are fighting in the battle grounds, anymore competition and they would compete for who smites the most mortals... i doupt that in the background some one as care free as aphro and some one as smart as athena would be trying to upstage eachother, that is lore speculation of smite it's self and because smite has no lore that argument is not standing on solid ground. from the original lore it does not make sense that in a setting like smite the gods would bicker over fashion and you can't build the same argument on smites lore because smite has no lore.

the deities are not idiots, yes they are competitive but these are win or lose and life or death situations, deities are also incredibly pridefull, they would not risk losing and dying just to look fashionable. they would do that in their own time when not at war.

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I think you completely misinterpreted what he said. You listen to a doctor. You don't listen to someone else parroting what a doctor told them in some kind of misconstrued context. It's like webMD syndrome. Sure, real doctors post information there, but you're the one doing the diagnosis, not them.

I can't believe this is still going. That is all.

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"In a misconstrued context."

We're talking about whether things exist or not. There is no way to misconstrue that. It's nothing like WebMD, because diagnosing someone is one of the crucial steps between talking to the doctor and getting help - taking information and applying it. We are, again, talking about whether or not something exists.

IMO, this whole debate really got shut down. I'd like to restart it, but it seems that some people aren't giving their opinion on the matter.

As for the whole armor thing.

Gods die. In Smite. Or at least, they get horribly butchered, hurt, and eventually enter a phase of existence similar to death, where their body fades away, they let out death rattles, the screen turns grey, etc.

And apparently, you can mitigate that sort of thing by wearing armor! Which is why tanks and bruisers wear armor and have better tank stats.

So, even if you can't "die," armor would still be helpful and stuff.

As for fashion choice...Athena's boob plate, even outside my other complaints about it, is one of the most ugly-looking things I have ever seen in my life. Seriously, one of the problems I have with the art design is just how I think things are ugly.

Like, Chang'e's headdress. Like, seriously, WTF. It seems so...out-of-place. So...not subtle. And Awilix' headdress, and Guan's crown thing...

Isn't most armor aesthetically pleasing already? That's not even getting into the tons of ornamental armor out there, either. Maybe that's just me.

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That wasn't the point of contention. But w/e, I'll drop it.

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deities in this game for the most, look like humans, talk like humans, act like humans and some of them are actual humans... i will look at them as humans.

athena is also not an idiot, if she wouldn't put her own life on the line just because she is jealous of aphro tits. if she would do it to out of envy she would not wear any armor at all because she would try to upstage her. she wouldn't be able to upstage her in her current clothing because to **** out aphro you need to go full naked or full fetish. athena doesn't do that, she doesn't try to upstage aphro.

They aren't humans, even if they look like them. The lore of almost every single deity IRL gives them shape-shifting capabilities [which is why so many represent animals too.] Most deities true forms are probably unknown. Also, they aren't risking their lives and their armour before the fight doesn't actually do anything, within the lore. There is then no reason why Athena wouldn't be wearing a skimpy outfit, as she has nothing at all to lose by doing so and in the lore IRL she is very competitive.

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they die and respawn, still death.

they absorb the power of the items they by, that is pretty much the theory for what happens in any moba with the items they buy and i accept that for smite as well. here is the thing, why would they buy items that give them more survivablity yet not wear any actual armor... the stats i chok up to game mechanics that the characters may or may not be completely aware of. but they do get natural protections, i think those natural protections represent the defense they have when coming into a fight, wearing armor should be seen as that, they wear incredibly illogical armor but still armor.

Because the actual armour - pre fight - gives them no protection on the battle-field, regardless of how valid it would be in a normal battle against humans. Therefore its unnecessary. Their natural defenses are balanced by class and measured to ensure each deity isn't too potent, it has nothing to do with the armour the deity is or isn't wearing.

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Each deity is unique. Some do care about fashion. For some, they are competitive and want to remain that way. I'm sure others don't care at all. But we don't know if dying actually hurts them - they're deities, not humans and regenerate almost immediately - and as their pre-game armour doesn't help them at all, it wouldn't prevent them from dying. Only the imbued items - in the game - can do that.

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gods are competitive yes, they are fighting in the battle grounds, anymore competition and they would compete for who smites the most mortals... i doupt that in the background some one as care free as aphro and some one as smart as athena would be trying to upstage eachother, that is lore speculation of smite it's self and because smite has no lore that argument is not standing on solid ground. from the original lore it does not make sense that in a setting like smite the gods would bicker over fashion and you can't build the same argument on smites lore because smite has no lore.

The Gods aren't bickering over fashion. They have no reason to wear armour, so choose to wear whatever they want as it has no consequence. They may well be competing - Athena absolutely does so in multiple events within her lore. Heck, she ascended Arachne to God-hood accidentally out of spite in some stories. That is the level of competitiveness and spite we're dealing with, when discussing Athena.

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the deities are not idiots, yes they are competitive but these are win or lose and life or death situations, deities are also incredibly pridefull, they would not risk losing and dying just to look fashionable. they would do that in their own time when not at war.

Agreed on the idiots point [generally.] This isn't a life or death situation, and their pre-game armour has no bearing on their successfulness against other Gods. They aren't risking anything to look fashionable - there is literally no down side to it.

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deities IN smite are as much human as humans, in the original lore they weren't but they should be looked at as humans in smite for the very simple reason that they are effectively humans. in the original lore they have shapeshifting abilities but in smite only sun has, pick one lore or the other, can't have both becaus they dont intertwine and smite is as far from the original mythos as you can probebly get.

"there is no reason why Athena wouldn't be wearing a skimpy outfit, as she has nothing at all to lose by doing so and in the lore IRL she is very competitive." yeah i can turn that same argument around, athena isn't a ****, there is no reason why athena would be wearing a skimpy outfit, as she does actually have things to lose and in the lore she is competitive and she is in a war. she got her pride to lose and the war to lose... one of the only things smite did actually tell us about its lore is that they are at war and all the gods have to pick a side.

if athena picks a side she has something to lose that is more important then a fashion contest.

"the gods aren't bickering over fasion" then why did you bring up that athena would be in a competition over it with aphro? like i said they are in a war against people with equal power and they could lose the war, this means they have a reason to trow everything they have at it including reasons to wear armor.

also arachne didn't get ascended arachne, it was always a curse that just so ended up giving making her the mother of spiders. she does not punish people by making them gods. (welcome to mythology where 9000 stories walk around and clash with others).

"they aren't risking anything to look ----" yes they are, they lose risking their pride and the war. they can die and armor prevents that, less death=less losing war= no pride loss.

smite has made one part of their lore clear, that part is that they are at war and deities choose sides. that means that they can lose and deities esspecially gods like athena do not like loosing because they are so pridefull.

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