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A Real Hades Guide for Conquest

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Smite God: Hades

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Starter Notes You NEED to have blink as your first relic in Conq. I will explain later.

Build Item Uncommon Staff Uncommon Staff
Build Item Mage's Blessing Mage's Blessing
Build Item Healing Potion Healing Potion
Build Item Mana Potion Mana Potion
Build Item Mana Potion Mana Potion
Build Item Blink Rune Blink Rune

First Three Items Notes With the Bancroft cost increase, Asclaps is only 100g more and it has stats that help Hades far more. In my experience, I prefer it far more. Bancroft is a good option still, but I prefer Asclaps over it. If you want to be more offensive, you can get Ethereal Staff

Build Item Shoes of Focus Shoes of Focus
Build Item Warlock's Staff Warlock's Staff
Build Item Rod of Asclepius Rod of Asclepius
Build Item Ethereal Staff Ethereal Staff

Later Offensive Items Notes Pen Items (Pick 1)

Build Item Spear of Desolation Spear of Desolation
Build Item Spear of the Magus Spear of the Magus
Build Item Void Stone Void Stone
Build Item Divine Ruin Divine Ruin

Defensive Items Notes You need at least two protection items. I recommend either Spirit Robe and Oni Hunter for Mitigation in team fights, or Urchin and Mantle of Discord for more overall protection from poke damage

Build Item Hide of the Urchin Hide of the Urchin
Build Item Spirit Robe Spirit Robe
Build Item Mantle of Discord Mantle of Discord
Build Item Oni Hunter's Garb Oni Hunter's Garb
Build Item Shield of Thorns Shield of Thorns
Build Item Purification Beads Purification Beads

Hades's Skill Order

Death From Below

Death From Below

1 X
2 8 11 12 14
Shroud of Darkness

Shroud of Darkness

2 A
4 15 16 18 19
Devour Souls

Devour Souls

3 B
1 3 6 7 9
Pillar of Agony

Pillar of Agony

4 Y
5 10 13 17 20

Hades is not so good...

Greeting Everyone! Welcome to my Hades Guide!

I would like to state a couple of things before we get started

    Hades is notoriously one of the worst gods overall
    He seems dysfuntional
    All the skill of playing Hades is deciding when to attack, and when to ult

With that out of the way, Hades can absolutely stomp people who try to dive him and get punished.

Starter Items

A couple of facts about Hades

    He has the 2nd base health among mages, only being beat out by Zhong
    He has the highest base protections among Mages
    He has the highest base damage with minion waves (75 + 120 if you position minions right)

This being said, Hades does well with a bit of extra tankiness early in the game. You only need 1 hp pot because his sustain is plentiful.
BLINK IS NOT OPTIONAL! Hades is absolutely awful from behind, and he has low base movement speed. You need blink because after you attack the speed buff, using blink is the only way you reach the wave in time to get exp from all the creeps and hit level 2. If you miss even 1 creep, you will not hit level 2. This seems small, but is deadly to you in reality.

Item Building

Items on Hades are really not up for a whole lot of toss up. It boils down to this:

    Shoes of Focus
    Warlock Staff
    Asclaps for a more divey teams, or ethereal staff for if you want to be aggressive
    1 pen item
    2 defensive items, depending on their team comp


As for Bancrofts Talon, with its current cost nerf as of 5.16, I prefer to use Asclaps for a number of reasons. The movement speed helps Hades' slowness, the health pairs well with the protections you'll build, and it only has 10 less power. That being said, Bancroft is a good item on Hades. It helps you to enjoy a very aggressive playstyle and enjoy Hades' supremacy in the mid game. Even so, I would recommend selling it later in the game for Asclaps, as its stats and passive simply do more for you in the late game when Hades is far less relevant

Pen Items

The only pen item Hades should not build is Obsidian Shard. Not only is it bad, but it's not Hades' job to kill tanks. He is an anti-dive and counter initiator. Otherwise, consider:

Spear of Desolation gives the least pen but the most power and cdr. Not my favorite but if you want a bit more burst, you can use it.

Spear of the Magus allows you to do true damage in your ult to anyone not building protections (remember, his ult shreds 10 to 30 protections). Hades ult does 840 + 240%. That's a lot. It's only trumped in scaling by Ganesha's and Anubis' ults. Potent for a dive heavy enemy team.

Void Stone gives hp and protections, so it helps you stay alive better and has 20 base shred, so utilize it if the enemy has 3 or more magical gods and you want the extra protection, or if your team has 3 or more magical gods (Ao Kuang assassin, for example) so your team can benefit from the shred.

Divine Ruin should be used if they have healing. That's it. Otherwise, use something else.

Defensive Items

Hades has two sets of Defensive Items he ought to build in my opinion:

Spirit Robe and Oni Hunter gives you a solid amount of protections, CCD (a very important stat on all gods, but Hades especially), CDR, but most importantly, damage mitigation. The protections on his ult are nigh on useless late game, so having an extra 24% mitigation when hit with hard cc or 9% when you ult is very good for survival. Use this for more general cases.

The other pairing is Urchin and Discord. They provide more protections and health overall, and Urchin's shield help protect you from those who would dive you. If they have a dive heavy comp, I would use these items. Obviously, you should build Urchin first because it needs stacks and is cheaper.

Death From Below

1: Death From Below

Death From Below is a leap. It can be targeted by Awilix. Keep that in mind

It has a long wind up, and immunity frames (when nothing can hit you) only apply when you are underground and moving!

It does 70 to 270 base damage plus 60% scaling

It does not slow anyone. It is useless. Who cares. Hades has 2 other forms of strong lockdown, so why does he need a slow? Because Hi-Rez won't admit power creep is real and ignores Hades because they hate him and me.

Shroud of Darkness

2: Shroud of Darkness

It is Hades' main "cc". It lasts 1 to 2 seconds, and either silences (no abilities) or will fear (a stun where they move slowly in the direction they were facing)

It applies in a fairly wide cone, and it is useless until it gets ranked up, except for blighting the minion wave . A 2 second fear late game is usually enough in a team fight to burn someone's beads or to gang up and kill them. It really depends on how attentive your team it.

It's not very good. Use it to engage people and keep them still for moment. If you need to use it defensibly, your positioning needs work. You should never have to use it for defense. It's not designed for it. Worst case scenario, try to fire a basic first so as to fear them, and can't chase as quickly.

Additionaly, because it is a silence, it can cancel channels. Anubis, Nike, Artio, you get the idea. Also, timed right, you can silence people out of their dashes, which removes their escape ability, which consequently leaves them open for your ult.

Devour Souls

3: Devour Souls

Hades' bread and butter. His damage. His healing. What makes him B rather than C tier.

This allows you to pressure people and do tons of damage in the laning phase.
If someone is stupid enough to stand in the minion wave when playing against you, punish them. Severely.
It does far more damage when multiple targets are grouped up together. It also heals you for every blighted target, and with asclaps and a full build it heals for about 120, or 101 per target with Ethereal at level 20.

As of itself, the base damage is extremely low for his primary damaging ability, but with a blighted target (never use it on an unblighted target unless its a guaranteed kill) it does 260 + 95% to gods and another 24 + 25% per other blighted target within 20 units.

This is always leveled first, no exceptions.

Pillar of Some Small Amount of Pain

4: Pillar of Agony

Pillar of Agony is one of the worst ult to god matchups in the game. Hades base kit is burst bruiser. His ult makes him the center of attention for 4 seconds.

It does 45 to 105 damage per tick (8 ticks) + 30% scaling (240% scaling). It pulls everyone in 30 units to you, gives you 60 to 100 protections, and shreds 10-30 protections off of each enemy if they are blighted (this increases the damage of it massively).

If you use this ult to leap in and initiate against a team, you're using it wrong. You can use it to catch someone who's escaping and beads are down, or if you know you can secure a kill during the laning phase. This is a counter initiation ability ! Hades needs to be tanky, so when an assassin or warrior dives your ADC or assassin, you can effectively lock them down and kill them. That is the proper use of Pillar of Agony.

Another use is to use it to zone people off. Use it in the middle of a fight and make the enemy team have to walk around you to reach the fight, giving your team a numbers advantage.

Combos:

Combo 1: Basic Laneing Phase Combo
1 + basic aa + 2 + basic aa + 3 + basic aa
Attempt to attack them when they are near the archers, so it draws the melee minions to you. When you fear and detonate them, they will be hit by the base damage and 7 detionation, greatly increasing your damage. Late game, use this sparingly, as it is risky. You cannot 100 to 0 someone, and it often puts you out of position. Make sure you have someone nearby to help you clean up and finish someone off.

Combo 2: Basic Bully Combo
Walk + basic aa + 2 + basic aa + 3 + leap away
Walk up while juking any attacks, basic attack to blight them, then fear them, basic attack, use your 3 to do some damage, and use your 1 to leap away (back into a safe position

Combo 3: Counter Initiate
2 + 4 (early cancel?) + 3
This combo should be used more towards the middle late game in team fights when someone dives you or they initiate the fight. This blights and silences them, then keeps them on you for 4 seconds. If you have the opportunity, cancel it early if 2 or more enemies would be killed by using your 3. This ensures max efficiency for your team and obviously, better to kill people faster.

Please Comment and Give me Feedback!

I hope you enjoyed it

I have about 250 hours in Hades, with him at 6700 worshipers. This is my first guide, so I understand it's sloppy in execution and format. But what matters the most is the information.

I live off of feedback and comments, so please post regards, suggestions, or if you feel like I was wrong on one part or another, comment and I'll get back to you

And if you build Book of Thoth or double stack, I will find you, and I will kill you.

He's not a burst mage. Don't play him like one.

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boogiebass (37) | September 24, 2018 11:56am
Ok. Im fine with ethereal, but asclepius still feels strange to me. Sure they give health, but you're already picking up warlocks staff. I'd still pick up bancrofts over either of these two, but thats just me. Hades in conquest, especially ranked, just feels strange to me. If he had some ranged poke, like other meta mid laners, then he would definitely be more viable.

Also, are you on console or pc?

So, overall, im ok with this guide. Do consider adding bancrofts as an option. If you're the midlaner, you need to be a source of some threatening magical damage. Bancroft fulfils that role better than asclepius. Also, dv-8 was correct about not blinking to your mid wave. Be sure to take another look at that and see if it's necessary. But Anyway, +1 on your guide.
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boogiebass (37) | September 6, 2018 11:45am
@bran/dv8: isnt hades a little mana hungry early? Doesnt bancrofts +150 help that?
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DV-8 (23) | September 6, 2018 12:39pm
His mana problems are not what I would consider bad. Even so, 150 mana is only going to get you about 3/4 extra ability casts. Not all that significant in my opinion.
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boogiebass (37) | September 6, 2018 1:00pm
But that's 3 or 4 more minions waves you can get before having to back
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Branmuffin17 (280) | September 6, 2018 11:50am
No, he's hungry for souls.
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Branmuffin17 (280) | September 6, 2018 10:54am
Hi Mesericordes,

So...I read your guide. It's obvious you're very familiar with the god, and you've taken time to explain your item choices with some good reasoning. That makes me more willing to withhold judgment on my own personal doubt on that Rod of Asclepius > Bancroft's Talon suggestion, and give this a chance. Yes, that decision is still questionable in my mind and is definitely not meta, but I honestly don't play Hades nearly enough to compare the two (and haven't given the build a test, so have no experience with it).

Before I go further, want to comment on some of the things already being discussed.
  • 100 gold cost increase on Bancroft's Talon with no stat changes isn't enough reason for me to consider that it's no longer a good choice. I understand your reasoning, but I'm just focusing on Bancroft in this point. Hades will be built bruiser because he's much more vulnerable to enemy attacks due to being a sitting duck while ulting, and also needing to be up close and personal to deal damage. As such, he expects to take damage almost all the time, which means he's a prime candidate for optimal use of Bancroft's passive. The variable lifesteal of up to 35% at low health may be just enough to keep him alive. In addition, that damage he takes also increases the power from his ult, which as you yourself point out is very strong w/ great scaling (as long as you keep them in the ult the whole time). I personally would keep a choice open between Bancroft and Asclepius, even if you prefer Asclep...because it's not as if Bancroft is a bad choice for him (at least in my expectation, since it's always been a meta item for him).

  • DV-8's statement of being able to get to lane and not miss a minion death may be subjective...on what, I'm not quite sure...I know DV-8 likes to test these things out, and I trust his word, so am wondering what situations you come across that might make you lose out.

    @DV: was it a close call? Did you barely make it there before the first minion died? Or did you seem to have plenty of time? Did you perhaps do something to get there faster? Maybe instead of adding a single basic attack before ability use, you just used the ability right at spawn and moved directly to lane? Trying to figure out what's going on here.
As for the rest of the guide:
  • Your overall build suggestions, e.g. not getting Shard, and your preferences for pen items, is right in line with my thoughts and how I'd prefer to build him. I have not tried Ethereal Staff at all, so I can't speak to how effective it is, but I will say the change to the item definitely turned me off. One nice thing about it is that it's not subject to anti-heal.

  • Back to Rod of Asclepius (and even Bancroft's Talon)...I see a Hades, and one of my initial thoughts is anti-heal. People will argue that anti-heal is a stronger reason to build Asclepius, to get as much out of it as possible...but in my eyes, that's like going against the grain, climbing uphill or whatever phrase you want to use. Since you lose the potential others get (team healers), you admit it's a selfish item for Hades, and your healing is dependent on blighted enemies, it seems much more like a situational choice than a core item. If they don't build anti-heal (and when you're able to just heal unmolested off minions) then great, but otherwise...I can then see at least some potential from Ethereal. (Don't lynch me, Kriega)

  • For Shroud of Darkness, you say that the fear is a stun where they move slowly in the direction they were facing. I always thought it pointed them in the opposite direction of the god who applied the fear. Also, I know you were just summarizing, but with the silence, you might also provide the tip that it can stop channeled abilities...so Anubis' Plague of Locusts, or in a teamfight something from Artio or a Nike Rend, etc.

  • Great writeup on proper use of Pillar of Agony. You may more specifically point out that it's imperative that you pay attention to enemy ability use...you mention it by talking about catching someone whose escape/beads are down, but emphasizing that awareness is good.
Welcome to the site!
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Mesericordes | September 6, 2018 5:18pm
Thank you very much for the response! I heartily appreciate it!
I get what you mean about Bancrofts. It most certainly is a good item on Hades, I just feel that because this build prioritizes more on being a bruiser, you won't be getting as high damage, so lifesteal is less, whereas the healing is mostly a flat value. I see where I might've been misleading on that note.
I will add the tip about silenceing channels, except Nox's 1 because for some reason once she locks a bird on, it cannot be stopped unless she steps in a Nox field, dies, or goes out of range.
Ethereal Staff isn't a great item for the average mage, but lane bullies use it well, and its stats and bully passive fit in nicely with his kit.

Regarding jungle camps, I usually end up having to miss one of the jungle monsters or the buff monster, which also prevents me from hitting level 2. The problem is that unless your jg has very fast clear, I usually missed some mid creeps as they would die, or I would be past the assist timer for the jungle monsters, so if the comp isn't specialized around early clear (Serqet, Baka) Hades usually misses something without blink.

Again, thank you very much for the tips and advice. I thank you.
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Kriega1 (77) | September 7, 2018 10:27am
You can build Hades as a bruiser and still get Bancrofts. E.g bancrofts, pen boots, Breastplate, void stone, and 2 situational items (divine ruin, obsidian, gem of iso, magus, deso, rod, hide, magi’s, mantle etc...)
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DV-8 (23) | September 6, 2018 11:39am
Branmuffin17 wrote:
@DV: was it a close call? Did you barely make it there before the first minion died? Or did you seem to have plenty of time? Did you perhaps do something to get there faster? Maybe instead of adding a single basic attack before ability use, you just used the ability right at spawn and moved directly to lane? Trying to figure out what's going on here.

Yeah, it was pretty close. I just stood at the edge of speed buff camp, threw an auto as it spawned to pull the camp my way, used my 3, and then headed to lane. I got the entire speed camp xp (split with my jg of course), and was in proximity of the wave by the time the first minion died, granting me the xp.

Also, I tested out that Hades' fear does in fact move enemies in the direction that they are currently facing. This is interesting when you compare it to the fear from something like a Raijin ult that causes enemies to run away from you.
Branmuffin17 wrote:
If they don't build anti-heal (and when you're able to just heal unmolested off minions) then great, but otherwise...I can then see at least some potential from Ethereal. (Don't lynch me, Kriega)

LOL
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boogiebass (37) | September 6, 2018 12:25pm
Dv-8, was "molested" really THAT funny? ... who am i kidding, it was hilarious.
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Branmuffin17 (280) | September 6, 2018 11:43am
Great HR programming, making a fear work differently depending on god. LOL. Maybe Hades' fear shouldn't be a fear. Robot? Zombie-walk?
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boogiebass (37) | September 6, 2018 8:45am
Why did you choose asclepius over bancroft?
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Gulfwulf (60) | September 6, 2018 8:58am
Because Hades can heal his allies, it has health, and ms. I'd still get Bancroft's Talon over Rod of Asclepius though since Hades' team heal aoe is so limited.
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Mesericordes | September 6, 2018 9:21am
The thing is is that the health you get from Asclaps supercedes the lifesteal from Bancrofts when over 60% health. It's stats are used better by Hades. In addition, the healing passive is used selfishly, it simply tops Hades off more than Bancrofts does.
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Kriega1 (77) | September 6, 2018 2:53am
Don’t get Asclepius or Ethereal on Hades please they’re trash on him. Also noting the lack of Bancrofts in this build is worrying
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Mesericordes | September 6, 2018 9:22am
No, they're not. They help him to be more of a bruiser. And Bancrofts is inferior to Hades at this point, Asclaps serves him better, has better stats for Hades, and is only 100g more.
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Kriega1 (77) | September 7, 2018 10:33am
If you’re buying for the stats you would get better use of gem Of Isolation.
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DV-8 (23) | September 5, 2018 11:00pm
Hey, Mesericordes.

Solid first guide. I like the write up.

I was under the impression that Hades usually built Bancroft's Talon. What is your opinion on this?
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DV-8 (23) | September 6, 2018 1:01am
Also, I played a game as Hades, and was able to use my 3 on the speed camp and still make it to the mid wave before any minions died. This means that Blink Rune, although optional, is not necessary.
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Mesericordes | September 6, 2018 9:24am
If you opt for boots you can, but I don't like getting t1 boots early. In response to your other comment, Bancroft got a cost nerf recently, so Asclaps gives similar power, health, movement speed, and the healing passive gives more healing than Bancroft can lifesteal, unless you're below 60% health.
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Kriega1 (77) | September 6, 2018 2:52am
I wouldn’t trust a guide if someone blinked to their mid wave.
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