Thoughts on Patch reveal

This patch is looking very good. Love the new items, its giving us diversity and many items to start the game with instead of the usual. The tweaks to Hades was much needed.Golden Geb is awesome and the loading cards for Artemis and Bakasura look epic!!! Everything looks good minus the elephant in the room ( or should I say..doge in the room? HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE!)

I feel that the Malice/Rage thing is dumb. With Rage, Malice, And Deathbringer. Good game. That's 70 percent crit chance. Going up 10 percent everytime you don't crit. Your crits will hit in the 500's on an adc. If not more. Then 60 percent of the 200 you basic attack is going to be applied over 3s. Basically a lot of damage. I don't like.

@Chiulin, I'm fine with that. If they're getting malice, rage, and deathbringer, tossing in boots, that leaves only 2 options left.

Sais, Lifesteal Item, Penetratoin Item, Fatalis, Defensives. You can only pick two. Sais is no longer always possible for a shred, lifesteal is necessary in long fights, but penetration is necessary late game. If they buy both rage and malice, they're sacrificing a lot of utility for pure, non-penetration, raw damage.

When I first heard about that, I was definitely iffy about it, but as I thought on, I came to this same reasoning. All that crit is really high, but they'd be giving up other potential items that would probably help a lot more in the long run.

However, on the flip side, the new stats and effects of Malice seem pretty crazy, at least on paper. Going to have to keep an eye on it with these new stats and effects, especially when in use with rage, though it isn't so much because of the crit, but because of the passive added in. Might just be one of those things where it sounds pretty crazy on paper, but in the process of use, it may not be as bad.

The new Malice applies a DoT. It's good for trading, but not in fast-paced fights where you want immediate results, and it probably won't find it's way into too many assassin builds. Hunters, however, can potentially benefit from it immensely.

And like Raventhor said, they're purely damage items without utility. You typically want to have items like The Executioner and Bloodforge on a carry, and possibly even a defensive item like Voidblade or Magi's Blessing to protect you from the instagibs.

EDIT: Also, Scylla is great.

So what two crit items do you feel will be chosen now. Rage/Deathbringer. Malice/Rage? Malice/Deathbringer?

I don't have any strong or standed ground thoughts on the new Malice when it comes to Assassins. Its something I'am going to have to test out to see if I like it. I agree with Sunfall that it will be good for Hunters and hopefully so since I'am playing a lot of Apollo in hopes of Agent Apollo coming next patch.

Can we talk about the elephant in the room now? What do you think of Scylla?

Main issues I have:
-The 2.25 sec root and cripple that can hit 3 ppl at once (IS THERE ANYONE THAT CAN'T DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN YOU ART!!! xD)
-The fact that the crush ability doesn't mention any downsides to detonating prematurely; reduced damage.
-Gains 80 magic power from maxing out her abilities. the pain of rod of tahuti D:
-Ult's as powerful as Ao's and with no more focused void stone Ao is one sad noodle :(
-+70% move speed. Holy **** something that can outrun nemesis

I'm actaully okay with her. Scaling seems okay except for the ultimate and crush. How many times are you going to see Ao get a deicide with his? I guess we'll have to see her in action.

Well...her abilities don't seem too bad, dealing less damage than I thought they would. 260 + 60% and 290 + 80%, I can handle.

Her ultimate, I'm kinda split about that. On one hand, it's an enormous nuke, but on the other hand, it doesn't have CC attached to it, and is probably one of the easiest ultimates to see coming in the game. It is pretty much exactly like spirit's temptest, including damage numbers, but trading area for utility and a chance to repeat.

What does concern me is the movement speed, and the slow. She seems like a stupidly strong tower diver, not to mention her two escapes. When you have 35/70% bonus movement speed, it is now officially an escape.

The slow on her Crush does bother me, especially when you consider the large AoE. They should have at least a 10% slow on Circle of Protection, dammit!

My only concern with Scylla ultimate is that she has enough time 6s and speed bonus to focus her ulti and if it kills somebody, she can hit once more, tat makes it 2 ultis!. Also, suppose she kills the second guy than does she get another 3rd chance? is there a cap on her ulti regarding no. of times it can be used?

Also I have no major issues with her passive but now Vulcan passive really seems non-existing and dumb. So much disparity, when would they fix it?