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This is a simple game. Either you're top tier or you're garbage.
Support-Tanks
Garbage: Ares because really? All he has is damage, and everyone else became a better beads burner than him roughly an year ago. He even doesn't deal much damage now, since Power Creep. Hades because really? He's the most outdated piece of **** I have ever seen. His very existence and lack of a rework is just sad, spits in the eye of the very concept of a MOBA, and exemplifies everything bad about Smite and HiRez. Bacchus because mana and ****ty nonpermastunning ultimate and mana and no good CC and mana. Sobek is worthless since he has no ****ing CC. He has a 1 second knockback and a pull, and an AoE slow, when other supports get a 2 sec taunt and a 3 sec slow and a giant AoE hard CC AND more mobility. His CC falls off, basically, and he deals no damage. If his cooldowns were better, or itemization was better, perhaps, but this is Smite. Cabrakan because he's an anti Neith and AMC, neither of which are played. He also might as well not have an ultimate, which is a no-no. Ymir is outclassed by Sylvanus and Geb, and is trumped by every other nongarbage tank. He's the closest to a middle tier in his class, but he should still never be played since other tanks don't need Blink and have almost as much CC - but Athena is fast, Sylvanus can heal, Geb can cleanse, and ***bha can suppress. Non-Garbage: Geb, because giving a support tank the only reliable cleanse in the game AND a massive shield in the same skill was a brilliant idea. Combine this with the most brainless ultimate in the game and massive mobility and you have an instaban champion. Athena, because mobility. and Ymir's CC, only better. She's literally the only meta tank with anything comparable to Ymir's stun, and that alone makes her top tier, and that's not even including how ******ed her damage is. Sylvanus because holy power creep, just look at his ******** kit. And he deals damage. ***bakarna because he's still strong, just hard to use. He still has a niche of 360 CC and a suppress, making him sorta worse than other nongarbage champs but still in the nongarbage. Mages
Garbage: Anubis is Scylla with more damage but low mobility, making him worthless, because zero mobility in this game is BAD. That. and he doesn't have an AoE permastunning CC, and unlike Vel'Koz, his ultimate is so ****ty that it can only hit one target at most in a teamfight. Chronos because he can't get hexakills from ganking side lanes by level 6. Also no AoE damage or massive CC, on top of less mobility and an ultimate that's only good for dueling. Nox because Nox. Scylla is Janus beta. Zeus is bad in literally everything now, and he deserves it, because he is a serial rapist. Zhong Kui is Anubis but with more protections and AoE. Too bad The Executioner exists, and that he doesn't have a CC immune ultimate, and if he dies once he feeds all game. That, and he's countered by most of the nongarbage jungler out there, and a few garbage ones, as well as most of the mages. Isis has CC, in exchange for lower damage AND lower mobility AND lower burst. Kuklakan. The noodle is outclassed in AoE damage since his Whirlwind got a huge nerf. All he has going for him is his ultimate, literally, and Janus can just press 2 for the same damage, because balance. Non-Garbage: Agni is fast, has AoE damage and AoE stun. Enough said. New Ao is balanced and has counterplay. Aphrodite's damage amplification is stupid, and she can make someone invincible on a 42 second cooldown, AND herself, AND with CC immunity. If nothing, she's a free beads, and that's worth way more than her healing and CC. Freya has a suppress on a tiny cooldown which has zero counterplay. Also deals a **** ton of damage and can abuse items like Fatalis or that helmet thing. Also has the advantage of being magical damage jungler. He Bo's damage is balanced. Janus has literally everything a mage needs, and most of what a mage doesn't need, either. He's Scylla 2.0, who was Anubis 2.0, making him Scyllanubis 2.5. Or Anulla 3-point-negative-2. I dunno, math is hard. Poseidon is anti-escape, which translates to anti-meta, which translates to useful. Ra's pushing power is stupid, along with his superior damage and decent mobility and sustain and he's pretty much the only viable AoE healer in the mage category. Vulcan, because he's literally Janus with less mobility and better damage. Nu Wa because free kills and uncounterable damage, because 75 magic shred is fair and balanced. Also, AoE stuns and huge damage. ???: Hel, because I never see her. Chang'e, because 5 sec stun does a damn good job of neutralizing her bad spots. But I also never see her. Hunters
Garbage: AMC is outclassed in safe and good early waveclear and damage by pretty much every nongarbage ADC. Artemis sucks. End of story. I have more worshippers on her than literally anyone else on this site, and I've played her in literally every possible role. She's garbage, outclassed in her one niche: damage, and her only good spot is an AoE stun that's outclassed by Ullr's ****ing 1. Cupid because no waveclear and damage. All he has is sustain, but Sylvanus. Anhur because why the **** would you take time learning Anhur when you can be just as good with Ullr in five minutes? Xbal. Sucks. Except. In. Arena. Non Garbage: Neith, if only for the global stun. Is still pretty iffy. Consider her mid garbage. Apollo, Ullr, Rama. Waveclear. Mobility. Burst. CC. Early game presence. Same reasons. Assassins
Garbage: Bastet is outclassed by Serqet in mobility and damage and late game and everything but dueling. Arachne is an assassin that has no gap closer outside of her ultimate. I still maintain she can't gank anyone who has their monitor and brain turned on, who isn't at 20% health. Fenrir is outclassed in everything AND he falls off. Nemesis is outclassed in everything and deals no damage and like Artemis, her greatest contribution is utility from a damage-oriented class. She's only good for killing other garbage gods. Thanatos because ahahahaha he sucks. Non Garbage: Bakasura because his invasion is balanced, along with his dueling and AoE damage and complete lack of counterplay. You can't run from him, you can't build health because crits and Said, you can't build tanky because true damage, and you can't CC him because beads and CC immunity. Hun Batz because AoE giant fear and deals good damage. Loki: What is counterplay? Mercury, because I don't need a reason. Serqet is Bastet with more damage and CC and late game scaling and utility. Her only weakness is less AoE damage, which she doesn't need. Thor, because the combination of a wall, a semiglobal AoE stun, and massive damage never gets old. ???: Ne Zha has one of the best ultimates in the game, one of the best gap closers in the game, and the most RNG BS kit I have ever seen. On a bad day, he's garbage, on a good day, he's overpowered. It all depends on the RNG, which is stupid. Kali because her late game is insane. More like mid tier, or mid-garbage tier because its so hard, but when she gets going, she is broken and utterly uncounterable. Warriors
Garbage: Vamana because he sucks balls. An extremely limited ultimate and poor laning phase and mana and everything. His damage is mediocre outside of his ultimate, which everyone can get out of. Tyr because Herc does everything he does better now. All he has is mobility, which is nothing compared to Herc's unkillableness and higher burst damage and his pull of certain death that doesn't need Blink. Guan Yu because The Executioner's buff removed literally the only reason for playing him. That, and Sylvanus beats him as a tanky team healer and initiator. Buy Executioner, have Sylvanus, congrats, you have everything Guan offered and more. Sun Wukong because he does weak everything compared to everyone else. Non Garbage: Chaac because 3 sec silence and unkillableness and ridiculous sustain and high AoE and burst damage and basically is unkillable. Hercules because he's Tyr plus. Osiris. All I know is that he was instaban last year and he hasn't changed since, and no one fills his niche of being an unkillable permaslowing death assassin jungle dude. ???: Odin, because I haven't seen him once in ranked. I suspect he's nongarbage due to his ridiculous burst damage and teamfight ult. |
Subzero008 Renowned (112) Posts: 4262 View My Blog |
In my definition, garbage is having no niche or use at all in the metagame.
Chronos is garbage because Freya took his niche, and he has nothing else. Scylla is garbage because she's worthless next to Janus. And in Smite, non-garbage usually means that you're awesome in every situation. Sylvanus is good with everything because he has literally everything the old tanks have except for a cleanse. Janus has literally every other mage's attributes rolled into a package. I want games to be kinda like this Diana is low tier because I like her :*( Moving on Nissa is considered lowest tier because of her poor scaling into late game. but her laning phase is ridiculous and she has that niche. Varion is topiest tier because of how ridiculously safe he is, but his damage is average and his laning phase is average and he doesn't really excel in one particular area aside from being a safe ADC. Both are used, no shaper ever eclipses the other, and everyone has a niche they can fill. A unique niche. No shaper is garbage because they can't do a requirement of their role, like early game presence or waveclear or massive CC or self-peeling or massive mobility or other ****. The difference between high and low tier shouldn't be the difference between Anubis and Janus. |
Subzero008 Renowned (112) Posts: 4262 View My Blog |
I think only having two tiers "Garbage" and "Nongarbage" could make it possibly hard to understand if a new player reads it. Obviously, I understood it and for the most part agreed with it, but new players may have a tough time making some sense out of it.
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dacoqrs Prominent (40) Posts: 807 View My Blog |
Odin has been seen a lot in regionals and stuff but hasn't been doing well. I personally think he is only a good pick because of his ring since his 1/2 damage combo falls off. However some pros and people like Krett think he's underestimated.
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Greenevers <Retired Moderator> Renowned (105) Posts: 2640 View My Blog |
Arachne and Nemesis garbage tier? Why are they used so much in the SPL? One of the best pro junglers, Weak3n has started using Arachne ever since her rework. She's good in all stages of the game. Not sure why you underestimate Nemesis. Her damage output is decent and then exponentially rises mid-late game. Mercury is overrated tbh.
Vamana isn't garbage... He has been one of the top picks in solo lane for the past couple of months. He's slowly been being picked less but he's still viable. Support role is a bit more flexible. In other countries, Ares was a top pick and doesn't actually do too bad you just have to play extremely aggressive early to get that first blood. Bacchus is not that bad. But again, you're right that these gods are only picked when Geb, Athena, ***bha, Syl are banned/picked. Pretty much everything else is right. |
Greenevers <Retired Moderator> Renowned (105) Posts: 2640 View My Blog |
Nemesis is nowhere near garbage imo.
Same goes for Isis, she's so very underestimated. She's got lots of CC and teamfight potential and can dominate a teamfight if played right. What a good Isis can do...
Just some video I came by some time ago. |
Romanians Established (17) Posts: 711 |
Vamana, Nemesis, Arachne, Zhong Kui, Anhur, Bacchus and Guan Yu being considered "garbage" is silly.
Vamana becomes one of the most resistant, damaging and overall game winning characters if he gets only the slightest lead. Nemesis has the power to CRUSH the health and armour of any mildly resistant character. Arachne is good at all stages due to her duelling early-mid and her scaling well with items. Zhong Kui is so damn hard to kill and is a great frontline mage. Anhur is an absolute monster in lane, and doesn't fall off hard late game. Bacchus is tanky, mobile and has lots of CC. Without the mana issues he'd most likely be op. Guan Yu is an amazing solo with the capability to absolutely destroy with his 3 early on and transition into being unkillable. Also, his ult is ridiculous in damage early and provides serious teamfight presence later on. "We are none but friends
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HolyPudding Established (19) Posts: 556 |
I can agree with a lot of these, but there are a few I have to disagree with.
Isis, for starters. As Romanians stated, she's criminally underrated. A good Isis is one of my favorite mages to have in a team fight. Her hard hitting stun, her silence/slow, etc can all be literal life savers. I also would call her mobility bad as it gives decent speed as well as does decent damage at the same time, due to the fact you can move backwards without any penalty. Won't save you every time, but it's something. Bacchus is another one I wouldn't call garbage. Yes, he can have mana issues, but that should get solved a bit into the match. But he has nice CC, though his stun process is easy to interrupt, is fairly tanky, and can even output a decent amount of damage. Though, you and Green are right in that the four you listed as non-garbage are usually better picks. Guan is a curious one to me. At this point in the game's life, he just doesn't seem like he would be as powerful a pick as some of the others, and he might not, but I've seen quite a few Guan Yu's succeed and dominate. Not in ranked or competitive, mind you, but still... I can't really comment on any of the others, as, like I've overstated a million times, I don't play CQ. However, I have played these three above recently in CQ, though Bacchus and Guan were in MotDs, so they weren't conventional matches. I have seen people play them very well in videos recently, though, so I can safely say I wouldn't personally call them garbage. Thankfully in Arena, things aren't so strict.
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SoapSuds Prominent (43) Posts: 1012 View My Blog |
I'm finding it a tad hard to agree with a lot of stuff on your tierlist;
Firstly in the Support section, you class Bacchus in the same tier as Cabrakan. Bacchus although somewhat outclassed by other guardians such as Geb or Sylvanus, is a solid guardian. As for your comment about his ultimate being terrible, I would have to disagree, although not as good as a knockup, it is probably one of the most disruptive ults in the game. Also, his one is great CC, what are you even thinking? Secondly, Zhong Kui, Scylla, and Eset are incredibly powerful. When I watch competitive Smite Zhong Kui is often banned. When he is played, his mix of CC and AoE damgage is a force to be reckoned with. Scylla on the other hand has a completely different kit then Janus... she isn't popular because her early laning phase isn't strong. Her niche although similar, is not the same as Janus. Moving on to the hunter's, I don't agree with your comment on Anhur. Anhur has a much easier kit then Ullr, and is incredibly popular in the EU SPL. In conclusion, this tierlist most definitely needs some work. Maybe add a recycling tier? In my opinion most of the non-garbage tier gods are alright but some gods need to either be moved down or up into a middle tier. *Note that this is my opinion, it is not meant to offend anyone... |
_angrytoast Memorable (14) Posts: 204 View My Blog |
Yes because pillar stuns are soooo much easier then ullr. Pls tell me more about how easy it is to hit all 8 spears of his ultimate blindly.
A stance switcher=\= difficult kit... never forget dawngate and never forgive EA. Freia will hunt them for eternity.
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