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Sub, while I do see what you mean, I advise you to calm down a bit before **** goes extremely downhill and mods have to lock a thread that can serve for good discussion.

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Say you're better than him?

Better? Is this what this is all about?

Sub, this argument has gone from a talk about sexualization in Smite to a **** measuring contest.

You both have your points, and you both have your downfalls. Can't you let it at that, both of you?

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**** measuring contest.

I don't think you understand anything.

ZANESTORM TURNED IT INTO A **** MEASURING CONTEST. HE IS THE ONE WHO KEEPS SCREAMING ABOUT HOW IM NOT GOOD ENOUGH! HOW MY SOURCES ARENT GOOD ENOUGH! HOW HIS SOURCES AND HIS CREDIBILITY IS SO MUCH BETTER!

And now, you want me to back off? You want us to agree to disagree? That Zanestorm can just scream and rant and talk about how he's so good, while I try to actually prove my point, and I have to just give up? Act like it's the same?

No. No. No. NO. NO! NO! NO!

I want you to stop sitting on the ******** fence and pretend to be some neutral arbiter. Are you honestly saying that I'm the same as him, or better?

Yeah, I have my problems. I have downfalls, or whatever. And so does Zanestorm.

But that doesn't mean that I'm not better than him. Or else everyone would be the same. Hitler has his good points. He was kind to his secretaries. Ghandi was probably a **** to someone once in his life.

Yes, this is about better. Yes, this is a **** measuring contest. I never wanted it to be, but that's what it is now, because discussion is impossible right now. As long as Zanestorm and I are stalemated into him complaining that I have no sources and me pointing out that I do have sources, this thread, and all threads like it, will die.

I want you to end this madness. I want you to just go and say that I'm better, that I've proved my facts better, that I have the better argument and that I'm a better debater and that Zanestorm's argumenta suck.

Because the world is mostly in greys, but some shades of grey have sharper contrasts to others. And I refuse to be put in the same ****ing color group as Zanestorm, when he turned it into a battle of contrasts in the first place.

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I refuse to say that either one of you are better, because that would encourage more **** measuring contests, which are unacceptable.

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No one's better than anyone, we're all members of the site. Please be respectful of fellow members. That goes for everyone - I'm not criticizing any one member here, but all as a whole. This is one of those Smite topics that end up very divisive; people either think it's sexualized or it's not, and that's ok. But don't get too toxic over it.

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Thanks Raventhor.

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okay, i have barely kept up with this thread for the last few pages.

zanestorm. if studies are shown to you and you write them off for the possiblity that they are wrong that you can litterly never be argued with, if others have provided multiple sources that all end up coming to the same coclusion that should be taken as evidence.

if you dont come with your own that you have very simply lost the arguement.

if that is how that entire feud went then that is how it should end. (IF)

sub, do you remember what you told me a few days ago? please try to keep your self to that as well.

a **** messuring contest can be stopped by a judge or the masses who say it has to stop, one would end it, the second would leave it unsolved but would move on, here is the thing, that unsolved thing is going to try to bite multiple people in the *** when they walk away from it.

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So why can't both people win, all4?

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The fact that studies exist mean nothing - it's whether or not the study is valid, meets academic standards and has a strong argument that holds to scrutiny that actually matters.

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So, in other words, you're calling studies from PHDs to be worthless.

No, you literally quoted me and then read what you wanted to read. The PHD is IRRELEVANT as to whether the study will be good or bad.

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Remember this?

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I'm a genuine Eclectic Pagan, so I know one hell of a lot more than most people about Ancient Gods and Goddesses. I'm also an undergraduate History student that studies Modern and Ancient History, as well as some Archaeology topics [specifically Religion and Ritual.]

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Shut. Your. Mouth.

Prefacing what I said by pointing out I know atleast somewhat what im talking about is absolutely fine. I'm not trying to credit myself with anything, which was in regards to a different post you made altogether. Also, STOP ATTACKING ME PERSONALLY. It reflects absolutely poorly on your argument, that you're consistently resorting to Ad hominem.

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So in other words, my sources aren't good enough. PHDs aren't good enough.

The source is riddled with bias and a variety of other issues that I went over. The PHD is literally irrelevant, stop appealing to authority. How many times do I have to say that?

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Just because the sources were crafted by people with PHD'S that does not mean they are valid, as I aptly proved in my analysis of your source. You're STILL appealing to the authority of the author, rather than the content of the source.

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Here's the funny part.

According to Zanestorm, I DIDN'T prove my point with studies from PHDs.

According to Zanestorm, Zanestorm DISPROVED my studies because he's that special and his analysis is so good.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

After all of his comments about bias, Zanestorm says that his opinion, with no sources, is more valid than my own actual sources.

Your source is demonstrably bias, does not cite properly, does not cite modern texts in a modern discussion and shows no attempts to look at opposing view points. That is why it's poor. It has nothing to do with PHDs. I haven't made a claim - so I don't have anything that needs a source.

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So, in other words, sources with PHDs are useless.

Is this literally your only argument? Your only argument is quoting me and then wildly spinning what I've said into something I didn't say. Is your argument genuinely so poor that the only thing you have left is an appeal to authority fallacy?

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Guys. I hate having to analyze his ******** point by point, so I'll make it real simple.

Zanestorm said my entire post was worthless because my source isn't good enough. Because PHDs aren't good enough, said the supposed student of religion and rituals.

Zanestorm called my entire post worthless, because my sources aren't valid, because PHDs aren't good enough.

Your post was worthless as you made wild claims with no citations. When pressed, you provided a full single citation, that I analysed publicly - on this forum - to show why it does not fit academic convention and is not a valid, neutral source. I never said PHD's aren't good enough, there you go lying again.

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I'll point this out again. If PHDs aren't good enough, what is? And who the **** are you to question PHDs? Are you God?

The thing Zanestorm wants to avoid, is that I ALREADY PROVED MY POINT. ANY REASONABLE PERSON CAN SEE THAT.

You literally hold PHD'S to such high esteem that the only person who you think can question a PHD holder is a God!? You have not proved your point. You have zero neutral, valid sources of information. ZERO.

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And that Zanestorm CAN'T DISPROVE IT. So instead of supporting his own point, he just keeps screaming, "YOUR SOURCE IS INVALID! YOUR SOURCE IS INVALID! BIAS! BIAS!"

Why are you people even supporting him? I repeat: He says that my sources, and Nex's, and Chuilin's, are all worthless. Because even PHDs aren't good enough.

My only point is that you are wrong. Your entire OP is wrong because you've leaped to conclusions with no valid evidence to support why. Your source IS invalid, due to bias and other factors I've already discussed.

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Meanwhile, he sits back and says that he doesn't have to prove anything, because he already proved that my sources are worthless. Because he's so smart and gay and talented and a genuine pagan.

I'm literally speechless. How are you not actually banned? Like literally. This entire post, almost every single one of your posts, breaks forum guidelines. How are you not banned?

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Dacoqrs. Be honest, here. Be honest and ****ing say that I'm better than him. I want you to ****ing say it.

Wtf. So this is no longer about your OP, this is about US as people? This is about you wanting to validate your own existance by attacking mine?

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I'm tired of this guy's ********, I'm tired of all the HATE SUB YOU TOXIC **** YOU ********, I'm tired of how none of my haters complained about Zanestorm's insults or said it was out of line like they do to me, I'm tired of how Dacoqrs ****ing said I was just like him only with more insults, and I'm ****ing tired of Zanestorm being on this ****ing thread and repeating the same ******** over and over and how no one else can see through it, or even tries.

Literally, ad hominem. Look it up. Also, forum guidelines. Look them up to.

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I'm am so ****ing tired of this site. You know that? I'm just so tired of how I can't say one "idiot" before people call me a toxic homophobic bastard (TT got your report, *******). I'm tired of being mobbed every ****ing time I make my point. I'm tired of how any point against me gives the guy five ****ing rep! I'm tired of how no matter how calm I am, how polite I am, how thorough I am, how much I'm patient, how much I do things one step at a time, piece by piece, collecting my arguments, dissecting Zanestorm's argument...

You have been anything BUT calm, polite and patient. You've been thorough and done things piece by piece, credit where it's due. But your "Dissecting" involves strawmanning the ever-loving poop out of me and wildly mis-representing what I said. That isn't fair, nor is it a valid way to debate.

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People like Zanestorm and HolyPudding and _angrytoast and all those ****s just judge me without even reading it. I spend hours on this ****ing thread, and in the end, one idiot blathers on with pure ********, judging me, and all of my haters instantly snap on and say, GIVE THIS GUY A REP! AHAHAHAHA HE COUNTERED AND DESTROYED AND RUINED YOUR ARGUMENT! YOU SUCK SUB! **** YOU SUB! GO DIE IN A FIRE SUB!

I read your post. I was a **** in my first response, and QUICKLY removed the angry language in it. Past that, it's just been you constantly attacking. Why does somebody giving me Rep matter? I don't care. I don't think anyone actually cares. It's just a way of saying "Hey, I agree with you. Kudos." Why does it matter that some people agree with me? Some agree with you too.

For reals though, are you actually okay? You seem very upset about this whole thing. No-one wants you to die, Sub.

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AND THE WORST PART IS, THEY DON'T EVEN READ ZANESTORM'S POST! They either hate me so much that they say he destroyed my argument without even ****ing reading it, or they honestly think his mound of **** destroyed by argument.

Here's an idea. What if we start respecting people. Users are reading are posts. They're allowed to agree or disagree. It isn't a popularity contest.

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I'm ****ing tired! **** you! I have the right to say it, too! **** you all! **** you all who just blindly hate me, or are too intimidated to prideful to say how Zane's spewing ****!

I'm open to any criticism, if any of you take exception with ANYTHING I've said, post about it. I'll gladly reply, clarify and discuss what I meant. And to you Sub - Maybe you should take a break for a while. You're taking this way too personally.

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because winners can't also be losers.

they have 2 arguments that charging at eachother at the same time. the arguments clash to much to compremise or agree to disagree.

in this case either one of the two wins or we leave it an open wound that comes back a few days later with its infected revenge.

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