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May I reiterate the part to get back on topic. Look Zane, I'm sure you're a cool and nice guy in real life, and I do realize you're trying to defend yourself, but it's a 100% guarantee that Sub is gonna reply with another comment, no doubt with some foul language. This will cause you to respond and then he does, and since you don't sound like you have gone ape**** yet, please get this back on topic.

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okay, i have barely kept up with this thread for the last few pages.

zanestorm. if studies are shown to you and you write them off for the possiblity that they are wrong that you can litterly never be argued with, if others have provided multiple sources that all end up coming to the same coclusion that should be taken as evidence.

if you dont come with your own that you have very simply lost the arguement.

if that is how that entire feud went then that is how it should end. (IF)

sub, do you remember what you told me a few days ago? please try to keep your self to that as well.

a **** messuring contest can be stopped by a judge or the masses who say it has to stop, one would end it, the second would leave it unsolved but would move on, here is the thing, that unsolved thing is going to try to bite multiple people in the *** when they walk away from it.

If the studies shown to me are demonstrably bias - I.E News sites [Huffington post], Feminist articles [ideology] or academic articles that are highly problematic, I will absolutely discount them for the non sense they are. If the source does not fit academic conventions, it is useless as a source, period. That's simply the truth of the matter.

I have made no claims. Where exactly are citations needed in what I've said? I'm genuinely curious about this.

If Sub or anyone else can provide a source [preferably multiple] that fit academic conventions, are as un-bias as possible and directly support their claims, I'd accept that for what it is. And lets be completely blunt about this All4, if video-games genuinely do cause real-world sexism, there'd be a VAST plethora of academic writings on the subject. The fact that Sub - with help - has only managed to find one - which is demonstrably flawed in so many ways that it isn't even funny - speaks volumes.

Infact the only dimension of this that has any studies done - even though they're of questionable integrity to the modern eye [as we know there is no correlation, at this point] - are the studies looking for correlations between violence and video games. I couldn't find any academics that weren't feminists on our university library search function or Jstor that were trying to prove a correlation between video-games and sexism. It's literally ONLY feminists that seem to think this is the case.

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I honestly don't know how to, at this point. No-one is even discussing the potential for Smite to cause real-world sexism due to the character design of the female deities. That hasn't been discussed in a while now. I can't provide a counter-argument to the OP, as I already have done and we're at an empasse due to a lack of sources in that regard.

And no-one is presenting new information directly supporting the OP. The closest thing was a post a while back entirely about feminism. But that isn't strictly related either.

I honestly can't ignore personal attacks. I'm not big enough to just walk away and let Sub lie about what I'm posting / rag on me for pages. That's just the way I am.

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This is tiring. I tried to be polite and absolutely point out that this wasn't a personal attack on anyone, yet I still get the 'everything you say is ******** you are the type of woman that disgusts me Sarkeesian Sarkeesian Sarkeesian I'm taking one woman and pushing her ideas onto YOU so I can further my hatred of feminism in video games' and it's frankly insulting. I don't want anyone to feel unwelcome on this thread. I want people to be able to give their opinions without degrading themselves to these kind of insults. Sub, while I fully agree with your opinions, it also includes you. You can't fight fire with fire. I understand how angry you are, believe me. But the more you let your emotions rule your argument the less unbiased it appears to the people of the internet (the most obvious experts!).

I'm not asking any of you to agree with me. I'm just asking that you do more research into the matter - watch documentaries made by actual women, ask actual women how they feel, ask actual women how their life is affected - instead of pulling up a bunch of studies. You can't ask for citation when a woman herself is a first person source.

Stop getting personal. It's not helping any of you and frankly, it's showing me who I should avoid outside of this thread.

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I see, I honestly would bring up some new info, but since I've been using my phone the whole day with no access to my computer, it's kinda hard to make a fancy essay with links and stuff like that

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Yeah, you made one post, where Sub and Zane have made multiple posts that are longer than yours. Yeah, I bet you're real tired.

Just saying.

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I see, I honestly would bring up some new info, but since I've been using my phone the whole day with no access to my computer, it's kinda hard to make a fancy essay with links and stuff like that

Don't worry about it! By all means if you do get hold of a computer and some spare time, please do give us some new directions to take. I think we could all benefit from discussing a different element to this.

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Did you read the rest of what I said or did you see that it was me and go on the defensive? I'm trying to be nice. I don't want to be rude to anyone, but you're going out of your way to do so. Please don't. I explicitly said personal attacks were getting this thread nowhere, and what you've just posted contributes nothing to the conversation except to be rude to me. This is the first and last time I'm going to respond to you so that you can continue the conversation at hand about women in Smite or stop posting. I don't want to see this thread locked.

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I see, I honestly would bring up some new info, but since I've been using my phone the whole day with no access to my computer, it's kinda hard to make a fancy essay with links and stuff like that

I'm interested as well. :) Take your time, it's alright.

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you dont see saying sub is wrong as a claim?

you claimed they that video game characters have no thing to do with sexism IRL.

for as far as i can tell you thinking those are biased lie with a personal problem, this means you can only dispute them on a personal level.

face it currently sub has more evidence that smite does have an impact then you have to disprove it, your argument is that because you think they are biased, we should all believe you.

you see to have a personal problem with the feminazi's and as much as i hate those poeple as well.

you know the actual feminists focus on more direct sexism that possible sexism right? that doesnt mean that they possible sexism doesn't exist, it just means they rather take down all direct sexism first before diving into studies that would end up getting them hated for saying games cause sexism... the reason gamers would hate them is because the feminists currently dont have the best rep because of the feminazi's.

their priority currently isn't fully on possible sexims, rather making sure man and woman whoa are beaten by there spouse on a daily bases can get away from those people. they can't fully afford an entire culture to hate them.

that is why there aren't as many studies on it as let's say terrorism or psycholigical problems people can develop.

the studies shown are the ones that do can done and there is nothing wrong with that.

you seem to have a personal problem with the places those articles came from.

if you can discredit them on a personal level but not as an argument just because you have those problems with them. for now, those are proof unless you can show things that disproof them.

untill then you are simply saying "no i don't believe in them, that is why no one should listen to them." no arguments or anything to show why, just your opinion.
the feminists would not look to make games sexist, they would look if they could possibly be sexist. feminazi's would look make them sexist, dont confuse those 2.

news sites, i don't know much about the news outlets in the US spesificly, if the site that it was taken from is a site that lies 90% of the time you can use that percentage as "evidence" (not proof) against sub. if that is not the case you can't argue with the news outlets.

its important to not that those articles were made by people who studied could be hired to do the research and maybe even write the articel. so unless you can proof that those people who did the testing are full of ****, subs proof still goes.

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I'm not asking any of you to agree with me. I'm just asking that you do more research into the matter - watch documentaries made by actual women, ask actual women how they feel, ask actual women how their life is affected - instead of pulling up a bunch of studies. You can't ask for citation when a woman herself is a first person source.

Stop getting personal. It's not helping any of you and frankly, it's showing me who I should avoid outside of this thread.

I don't know how much of this is directed at me, to preface this.

But singular women and how they feel - whilst their feelings are of course valid - is anecdotal evidence at best. In History, as an example, we absolutely use contemporary sources. But only within a much wider context, with the understanding that this is an individual and not representative of much other than themselves. Actual studies need to be provided to make leaps between pixels in video-games and real world sexism. A single woman, even a million women, thinking there's a link isn't proof.

Agreed entirely on the point about getting personal. I'm certainly guilty of it, which I've been trying to self-moderate. By all means, if anything I've said is offensive please point it out and I'll amend it.

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