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She's not white, she's just pale. I personally know quite a few Mesoamericans who are that shade or lighter, and are not of mixed descent. I also kinda disagree with the clothing portion, what with how they're gods and can basically do whatever they please so skimpy/impractical clothing would likely be a non-issue for them if there were to "realistically" be a battle among the gods.

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Can we just say its a marketing medium to sexualize female characters especially since you get to see them up close and not in a birds eye view like in other mobas

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Logic.

Let's assume that gods can make themselves invulnerable without armor. By this line of logic, gods must also be able to penetrate this ability with their own weapons, since gods hurt each other in Smite.

*rolls eyes* And therefore, we arrive back to gods needing armor. Since their "passive protections" clearly don't do much to defend themselves.

Also, you ignore stuff like Athena/Zeus's legendary shield (Aegis), Hades' legendary helmet (Helmet of Darkness), Herc's magical lion skin (The Hide of the Nemean Lion). Or the other dozens of times in mythology where wearing armor saves someone's life, even for gods. Or Achilles' legendary armor that let him become invincible to even gods' weapons. Or Ancile, Mars' legendary shield. Or Svalinn, the Norse shield that blocks the sun's rays from frying the earth. Etc etc.

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Well first Hercules is a demigod, not a god so of course he would need armor and Achilles' invulnerability came from a ritual done after his birth, not from armor. His vulnerability was the spot on his ankle that he was held by during the ritual, hence the term "Achilles Heel". And Hades' helmet isn't for protection, it's enchanted to make the wearer invisible (thus I argue that he should absolutely not have been made a guardian). And while yes, legendary armor or weapons have saved even divine lives, not every god requires the use of them or wouldn't be suited for them. The Mayan gods for example would likely be hindered by something unwieldly like armor, and most of them are certainly not portrayed using it. If Shinto gods get added then they shouldn't use shields, something completely unheard of in feudal Japan (as far as I'm aware). I'm not saying that none of them should be clothed and that every single goddess should be a porn star, I'm just saying that they should be designed in a way that would make sense based on a mythological standpoint (or better yet, if they would stop trying to be "creative" and actually make them what they're supposed to be). And here's another way to look at it: No matter how skimpy their clothing is, it's probably more coverage than their traditional depiction gives them.

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designed from a mythological stand point. then they should look at what the people who created the mythos thought was for example "beauty".

trust me, gods including the original depictions of aphrodite were NOT naked 24/7. its important to note that the greek and roman culture's more often did not have a problem with nudity and didn't distract them, they even held the original olimpics in nude where they had to wrestle... they saw the body as something that should be celebrated, with body i dont mean ***, ****, TITS, VAGINA... i mean the entire body from face to toes, they saw beauty in the face, arms, legs, shaping, muscle's.

they never depicted their woman with big tits or their man with huge *******s, those were always small.

if athena went into battle she would be wearning armor that looks like the traditional phalanks troops armor. entire torso protected.

if freya had to fight the would not leave her legs, arms and lower torso completely open, esspecially her lower torso because of the organs their, heck she would probebly wear a helmet as well.

THEY ARE GOING AT WAR WHERE IMMORTALS CAN DIE! that is one of the very few parts of smites lore that was actually made clear and brought into existence.

even if the death is temporary you'd think people as proud as gods would NOT like to die since they should be immortal. we dont know how much they know about the battle of smite. in the mythos of smite their is no defense for why they should look like actors from a bad porno.

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IDK why we're still trying to argue this. There have been threads on the sexualization of gods SEVERAL times and it has NEVER reached a consensus, nor progressed happily. Like I don't even care from a mod standpoint I just don't even understand why we're still trying to talk about the subject xD

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*facepalm*

I already destroyed the lore defense, earlier. And don't condescend to me about Achilles. The armor was created by Hephaestus, and it's shown as being insanely valuable to the point where Ajax and Oddesomething have a fight over it.

"Not every god is suited" Yeah, not every god is suited to wear full plate armor. But there's a huge difference between not wearing armor, and wearing lingerie to combat. Or something else completely impractical, like Athena's "breast plates."

The point is, armor and other practical things IS a thing. Which means that this statement:

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skimpy/impractical clothing would likely be a non-issue for them if there were to "realistically" be a battle among the gods.

Is false, because protection DOES make a difference, which means it IS an issue, and that anyone who DOESN'T get any protection better have a damn good reason not to. Looking attractive to teenage gamers is not a good reason.

And if you're going to mention how Chaac and such aren't dressed much, either, their dress actually resembles what their culture's warriors looked like.

I dare you to find a female warrior from a pantheon that dressed like Athena/Serqet/Awilix/Freya. I dare you.

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I suppose she counts. (It's Joan of Arc. Hey, she's a saint. And we can consider Catholicism and it's Saints as a pantheon of their own.)

She is in full plate armor, how the **** is she remotely dressed like athena and the others?

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I feel like ya'll don't give athena enough credit. She's decently geared. Like she's not even skimpy. Sure it's not full battle armor, but it's traditional greek apparel (of which she was commonly portrayed in) with an overlaying battle-armor thingy (skimpy, but as said, it's laid over actual clothes), with a battle shield and greaves.

Like there are MUCH better options to show who's badly geared. I understand Athena isn't 'dressed to the nines' but she's not the worst, I'd even say it's solid.

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Firstly - thanks for agreeing with me. I like you. A++. Secondly, I mostly lurk here. I don't post all that often because I don't care about what most of the discussions are, which I guess is why I don't have much rep. I mean, tier lists? Great, I'll look at them. What's your favourite God and why thread? I'll peek. But I don't really care to comment because they aren't that important to me. What is important to me is representation of women and PoC in video games, especially considering you are taking a PoC pantheon and whitening it.

And that whole 'I know Mesoamericans that are pale' thing? That's kind of like 'I have black friends so it's okay if I say the n word' argument. The point is you aren't Mesoamerican and the majority of them are dark skinned. I don't understand this whitening phenomenon. I mean, I'm still peeved the Hindu Pantheon is whitened. Hindu, which originated in India, a South Asian country with predominantly dark skinned Indians. Are there light skinned Indians? Sure, but they aren't the majority. And the Egyptian pantheon. I could write an essay on how Ancient Egyptians were most likely Middle Eastern/Black/Semitic mixed, not white, but that's for another day. I'm not saying erase white pantheons, because they obviously exist. I love the Greek Pantheon. I love the Roman Pantheon. But we aren't making Athena Asian, so why does Awilix look European? Why does Serqet look like a slightly tanned Italian?

If ya'll want to argue the 'but the men are sexualized too!' then all I have to say is Zhong Kui, Kumbhakarna, Sylvanus, Loki, Xbalanque, Bacchus, Ah Muzen Cab, Bakasura, Geb, Fenrir, Hun Batz, Ra, Sobek, Ymir, Kukulkan, Janus and Mercury, and I only tentatively leave Poseidon and say, Thor, Tyr, etc because I feel like the whole manly man buff chest thing is more appealing to the egos of the men playing the game than the sex drives of the women.

By comparison, the only Goddesses that aren't sexualized in some way (in my opinion) are Scylla, Nox and Chang'e. And one of those three is a child. I'd be pree creeped out if she was sexualized, to be honest. Also, just as a sort of little tidbit - Nemesis, Bastet and Kali are wearing thongs. All three. Nu Wa is arguably wearing a table cloth. There's so many beautiful and intricate traditional Chinese clothing they could've chose for her design .. but no, she's wearing a table cloth.
I'm not saying 'oh no, they should all be covered head to toe!' I'm saying give them more depth. Give their character design more thought.

And you know what, it is a marketing medium. But who are they marketing to? 36% of gamers are women. Only 17% of gamers are men under 18, which is who I hope the make titty wobble aesthetic is attempting to promote itself to. I don't want to believe that 47% of adult male gamers are a) threatened by the idea of a woman character with depth or b) are sinking so low that most of the women they see in real life are virtual. This honest to God sets an unrealistic standard for real, living women. Men become disenfranchised with the real deal because they believe they deserve the fictional one, disregarding the fact the women are, you guessed it, not real. Maybe they're successful now, but I guarantee you it's not because Bastet has more cleavage than necessary, it's because it's a fun MOBA based on mythology, which pretty much everyone at least loves a little.

I could say more but I think it would be beating a dead horse at this point because you either agree with me or you're wrong. Uh, I mean, or you don't.

I wrote an essay. Oops.

Also, Athena is GREAT. I love Athena. She's my girl. What she's dressed in is actually very Greek, very historical, and very awesome. Goddesses don't have to be devoid of sexuality - I just want them to be based on more it.

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