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I think Subzero008 would be pleased to see this continued strife even after he has left the site. He has a unique sense of humor.

TheGenocideLord, you are a massive hypocrite. I recall Sub told me that you called him, recently, "a ****ing ******," and continued to harass him. Don't pretend you have been reasonable and peaceable when you've been anything but.

(Now, Subzero008 is hardly an unbiased source, but he's not a liar. If he says TGL called him...what he called him, then he did.)

In addition, I am obligated to say this, as a reply to Dacoqrs, and as a friend to Subzero.

You people have grown to expect Ad hominem from Subzero. For those of you who don't know, this is a fallacy where one attacks the opponent rather than their argument, when the criticism directed to the opponent is irrelevant.

You aren't wrong. Subzero does do this, sometimes. Or to be honest, often, nowadays.

But the crucial fact is, that isn't all Subzero does. He does present intelligent, logical, consistent arguments. The problem, in part, is your unwillingness to look past the insults to see the logic underneath. A dung-covered pearl is still a pearl.

I'm a bit disappointed, to see this attitude on this site. It's one thing to not tolerate harassment or rudeness. It's another to dismiss another's arguments as so much baloney without even bothering to check.

If you feel that Subzero is insulting your intelligence when he is citing your lack of experience; frankly, he is correct. This is not ad hominem because the criticism is relevant. I have no doubt that most of you have not understood another MOBA before, and so you shouldn't try to contradict him on that point. I am currently working with him to fix that.

Finally, to go back on-topic; I believe arguments aren't necessarily a bad thing. If I may be so bold, I say that discouraging arguments is a very unhealthy thing for any forum of discussion. In fact, as long as this trend continues, I say that Smitefire may be entering its darkest age yet.

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Good god, you guys are so ****ing dramatic over some ******ed online arguments. No offense at all to Danny, but when his jokes are more mature than most of what people write in a thread, it's honestly kind of sad. Not saying Danny or his jokes are immature because his jokes are just that; jokes. So still, when your "serious" posts are less mature than some jokes, you might want to start thinking a little bit about what you post in the future.

Yeah, SmiteFire might be entering its "darkest age" (I feel embarrassed to have even written that), but it's because so many people refuse to move on from some stupid **** and keep bringing it up in every other thread on these forums.

Honestly, it's kind of sad. I usually prefer this place over the Smite sub-Reddit because the people here are usually more mature, but ****, you wouldn't know it if you strolled in here and read a good majority of threads that were made here in the last few weeks.

These forums are starting to remind me of middle school and high school again. You guys constantly arguing over stupid **** are seriously starting to make this place seem like a cesspool.

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Wow this thread is toxic.

Aeadar, I appreciate the argument conversation, but there were very often times he insulted people because of their differing viewpoints, not their experience. And there are a lot of people here experienced in many mobas, so that might be off-base. I appreciate he DOES bring a lot of intellectual debate to the table, but it shouldn't be juxtaposed, or even drowned out, with inflammatory insults.

On a side note, this is getting really off topic and inflammatory in itself. The topic itself was very calm and straightforward, but we've steered it offcourse. It's an interesting idea so I don't want to have to lock it from people butting heads.

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Aedar, you're correct he doesn't lie, but he doesn't have to tell you the whole story. Can we please just move on now, jesus.

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I guess, I don't really have too much of an opinion against Sub. He's disagreed with things I've said in the past, but never insulted me.

Although I do see the things he says, I think him and a few others included should probably chill out a bit. I think even Sub could do it. He was fairly chill in the past. But over the years his personality changed, and feels he can't find a way to get his point of view across without belittling. If you say things in a calm manner people tend to ignore you.

Although his method has had the opposite result, the more people dislike you, commonly, the less they want to believe you. And the more hostile they become.

Perhaps there could be a good manners rule? Maybe even a separate button similar to +rep, but towards manners. +moody***** we'll call it ;).
You get enough Moody***** and corrective actions are taken by Moderators.