Best danz build, change my mind.

oh ya they did nerf the pen didn't they. I haven't used it yet since patch anyway, but def need to remember that lol.

Not being aggressive, to me it was pretty clear, and the title of the build is to make fun and start a discussion about diff builds outside the meta. Also you bringing up my stats means nothing. I only solo que, and I do not take the game that seriously, you also have to factor in dc's, the server issues. Hell one of my recent games I started about 7 min behind. Sat at loading screen for a few, kicked me back to god selection, had to restart, then sat at loading screen for a few more min. So i don't base things off smiteguru, it's pretty inaccurate, especially since I have 2400 hrs+ in this game yet, SG only reflects like 450 or 500+ hrs

Also adc is still new to me a bit, as my main since you looked is mostly Warriors, specifically Tyr and Mulan. Now Idk about the conquest stats, because my last few conquest games I won using this build ez gg, and I have done it in support, carry and jungle. So to say i never played him in S8 is incorrect.

Also ofc it can't work anytime, but you can use it in any role, you have to change up you builds to fit the situation, team comp, enemy team comp, builds etc..., also i never said anytime, I said "any position", big diff.

Also I can be assertive, as the top build for S8 with 60+ upvotes is trash. Also the build is fine, you just need to know how to work it. I also stated it is a hard build to complete because it is fairly expensive, and your kill potential is a little low at first due to bumba's. Granted you can also just take bumba's last and not run a starter item, because most of the starters are meh, i mean they are good but not game changing good, the upgrades are ok.

So again, I can understand your point on clarification, as new ppl might not understand, but also many on SG just look at the top build and vote that way, most don't read the notes on the builds to see why what was chosen or when to swap something for something else. I get reading text you can't see the sarcasm in the title, and I already started tweaking this build to make it better, so clearly it is not the best build, but you didn't bring any statements as to why, you say no LS, no pen, clearly you didn't read the notes either. Also you ask why about malice, I see you didn't read the actual guide notes on the build at the bottom, because if you did, you would know why I chose malice.

Ah yeah I could see your point on the "role specific" for new players. I look at builds and can usually tell where they are meant to be played. Also the title was a general statement saying "best build ever" basically meaning you can use it in any role, but I could have clarified that more.

As far as him being over tuned? Idk some say he is some say he is average, in terms of new god releases he is def on the more balanced side compared to others. That said, they did nerf some of his dmg, his abils are easy to avoid, and the ult is as well unless he just fires it off, then ofc hide behind something or wall w/e. Personally he doesn't feel overtuned, he just has a friggin wicked kit.

Yes there is a lack of pen, there are options to switch for more pen if you want. Some say lack of attack spd, but I have not found this to be the case. I play danz aggressively. I main warriors so aggressive play styles fit for me. The lack of pen can be compensated by the crits and the amount of abils you can throw out. If using poisoned star the 20% dmg inc is always active if u hit someone, but all his abils activate runeforged anyway, even his 3 if they step into your circle and get slowed. So keeping the 20% inc up is fairly ez. In training against a 300 prot Odin you can hit 500 dmg crits np no pots. Also remember the 5% max hp return assuming since u just have to cast to active Bumba's Hammer. Also yes Bumba's in an ADC role is tougher because of the stats etc... It is not an easy build to finish mind you.

Also I have always been torn between this, but my ultimate decision on how the skill leveling goes was based off malice. Since malice and Bumba's do not trigger the CD reduction on your ult, I level the 3 max first. Because your 3 at max with 40% cdr is like 10 seconds. The circle lasts 5 seconds which gives fatalis and 20% dmg reduc, if u leave before it fades, u now have 4 seconds of leaf form total of 9 seconds. 1 abil + basic atk trigger bumba's puts u off CD right away. So like myself I'll leaf form, ambush ur bac line 2+AA, 1+AA. Now my 3 is already off CD, my 2 is like 1 sec off CD, and my 1 will be up in like 6 seconds, but after hitting with a AA after ur 1 that's -1 sec, after u activate ur 3 that's -1 sec, after hitting with ur 2 -1, thats 3 sec cd already off ur 1 abil and ur 2 abil, not to mention Malice 3 sec cd reduc will proc shortly after, and remember each hit gives back 5% max hp + ur 2 has its own healing. I remember a fight it was a 2v4 and we won, because i got my taunt off on 2 ppl, then hit em with my 1 + AA (4 sec cd from bumbas and malice) popped my 3 stayed in it firing until broke the taunt due to dmg done, and once they broke out of taunt i threw another, and bagged em again then ulted another person, it was nuts but i got a nice quadra out of it, and these ppl all had full hp. Granted it wasn't a 1v4 our levels were the same, but they got out sustained and out played.

Your attack speed is high enough your not shooting slow, you abils hit like a truck, and ur cooldowns are so fast you will run out of mana, unless you use like Trans or something. You can no minion solo Phoenix towers, Titans, and ez solo FG np.

Also there are notes on each build explaining substitutions of items and why you would want to build the over that. Though i know how smitefire works, most come in see the top build and just vote based off that, just look at the top S8 build for danza 66 upvotes for that, that is the top S8 danza build really?? No LS, No Pen, No explanations, but best build for S8 danz...ok.