Loki Deals Too Much Damage

I like your idea, Raventhor. It does make sense and means Loki really needs to hustle, get the kill, and get out.

This applies to any would-be Loki counters, and it's a lot easier to get fed as Loki than as an ADC. Loki is THE Pubstomper, getting fed is even easier than getting a free kill with Thanatos.

Yes...I said that with tanks in mind. But try asking your tank to help you while he is in the duo lane and you are the mid mage, and it's 5 minutes in the match. And even when grouped, as I said before, just because your tank will zap Loki the instant he appears doesn't mean you won't take damage, and Loki needs only an instant to deal massive damage to you. Without preemptive CC (which is nearly impossible), he'll be able to hurt you no matter what you do.

You know, I do play against Loki. And with my volume up. I do play Conquest, you know.

Yes, you can hear Loki coming. You know he's in the general vicinity. But you can't see him. You don't know if he is 20 feet or 30 feet away. You don't know what angle he is coming from, whether or not he's retreating, or if he's circling back for another attempt. Just being able to tell if he's nearby is not enough counterplay.

DOTS ALREADY REVEAL LOKI!

Edit: But as others have pointed out, mystical mark isn't really viable (its stats frankly suck; you're almost always better off buying Sovereignty, even as a support tank; the only ones who buy it are solo laners looking to farm easier).

A lot of these DoTs aren't very good defensively. Love Birds and such are ****shoots when trying to aim for a stealthed Loki. In fact, the only viable DoT abilites for this, IMO, are tornadoes, Whirlpool, and Solar Blessing, which you can sit inside of, and Honey and Poison Darts, which hit in a wide AoE. But the list of gods that can do this is very small, and once you remove the nonviable ones, it's even smaller.

That isn't really counterplay, more of a perk of the god you picked instead of some gameplay element universal to all.

Not all dot damage, and it doesn't literally remove him from stealth it just shows you where he is, which isn't the same thing, since he's still faster (vanish speed increase) and still has the bonus damage.

Um...I may be missing something here, but what exactly is the difference between being revealed and having a flashing number tick on top of your head, practically speaking?

Edit: Got your reply. I see it now. The terminology confuses me.

What do you suggest then, sub? It seems at first you were unhappy with the damage, but now it seems you're more disgruntled with the lack of (In your opinion) counterplay.

Hmm...what makes Loki's fed-ness difficult to counter? His stealth, in part, but also his ability to practically oneshot an ADC if a few levels ahead, on top of him being VERY safe if the target can't damage him. For example, an ADC that was shut down.

I have a simple solution to just reduce his scalings. Heavily. Like, seriously, that's all it takes. It solves the problem of his damage when fed, adds counterplay (by waiting him out), and blah blah blah. He's a mid game assassin; that should be his niche. Struggles early game, very strong mid game, falls off late game.

Yeah, his late game teamfight will suck even harder than it does now. Compensate for that in other ways, but I think a damage reduction is sorely needed.

I agree with sub that loki is VERY POWERFUL in solo q, but I'm not sure about a full on nerf to him. I could see small nerfs to all his abilities to make it a bigger nerf, but giving signifcant nerfs to all of his abilities instead of multiple smaller nerfs that add up to a significant nerf seems a bit much. So basically, I agree with you, but I don't agree with you.

As for late game teamfights, if an assassin lacks damage, give him utility.

I say make it tied to his ult, which is rather boring. Perhaps make the target receive more damage from all sources, to ease picking off enemies (so he's indirectly doing his job.) Or perhaps have him build tanky and abuse the 8 sec CD of Aimed Strike and become a DPS fighter. Or something.

Loki needs a buff, not a nerf. Or at least give him something more.

I recently reached Legendary Mastery Loki and now I'm bored because every time there's a teamfight I have nothing to contribute. Almost every other Assassin I can think of has something to contribute to teamfights. They're either like Bakasura, who has a high damage AoE ultimate that he can use to damage A LOT of people, or they are like Mercury, who can easily fight multiple opponents because of his 2 ability and sheer damage output. Loki? Nothing. ALL of his abilities are incapable of damaging more than one person (his 2 doesn't count, I don't care what you say). Bakasura's 3 ability is a continuous buff that lasts for a few seconds, making it effective in team fights or against multiple attackers. Loki's 3 ability can only damage one person. In my opinion, the amount of damage he deals doesn't make up for his complete lack of team presence.