A Newbie Making a Build(Criticism Wanted)

Mark of the Vanguard only offer a few protection for the early game.
So, unless you plan to be aggressive during early game, it's not really worth it compared to other options.

Still assuming you are playing solo lane.
You are alone, therefore you will kill the minions.
Vampiric Shroud is a good pick. It will sustain you in early game more than you would think.
It gives you the same stats as Watcher's Gift, but with 20 more power.
Plus, the passive will be useful to you and sustain you.
If you manage to kill every minion of the way, this item gives you 60 health and 60 mana / wave.
Or 10 hp5 and 10 mp5, over the time.

For your build, it really depends on how you want to play it.
Your build name is "Damage", so I assumed you wanted to deal good damage, while still have "decent" defense.
However, if you prefer to be more tanky, and still do some "decent" damage, the items you should choose will be very different.

About Spirit Robe, I would suggest this item as a situational pick rather than a core item.
For its price, Spirit Robe stats are not optimal.
This item is mostly used for its passive (15% damage mitigation after being affected by a hard CC).
If you pick it early game, it should be because your solo opponent is heavy CC, otherwise you are putting yourself behind stat-wise.

Stone of Gaia and Breastplate of Valor offer both better stats in their own specialities, and both of then cost less than Spirit Robe.
So, depending of your solo lane opponent, you'd take one first and the second one after.

In Conquest mode, 40% CDR is not always required and 25% can often be enough.
However, if your playstyle requires to have 40% (it's your choice), then now you can consider these 3 items :

- Shoes of Focus instead of Shoes of the Magi
You lose some damage early game, but you gain more mana sustain and CDR very early game.
Plus, you can have your 40% CDR at your 2nd items against a physical opponent.
- Mail of Renewal
You're facing a physical solo laner and a physical jungler, you can delay Stone of Gaia to the 4th item, if the mid laner is not a threat.
- Spirit Robe
You're facing a CC heavy team, with both magical and physical.

However, if you don't require 40% CDR, you can then go for damage and take Spear of the Magus. It's cheaper, and your damage will take a nice boost.

For the next items, it's all situational, depending of how well you perform, which enemy is the threat, how well you survive, if your team needs more damage or, on the other side, your carry is online but need more front line presence, etc.
This part is hard to explain in a guide, it's learn from experience.

The best you can do here on this forum is to learn what each item do and when to use them.
For that, I strongly suggest to read Zilby's Guide to Making Item Builds.
It's long guide, but it's worth it.

It's not a pride ego thing it's how I personally Lear by trial and error. I look at other guides but they way they explain doesn't really help me. I also have Any friends that play this game so the only way I can get feed back is you guys. :) which I love how so many people are giving me their in put and making me much better.



Should I run mark of the vanguard instead?
Should I forget about spirit robe?

So youre a "newb" that wants to learn, but doesnt look for guidance?

Thats like one of the only ways to learn from a game like this. If anything learn what the items are useful for. A pride/ego will not help you learn how to build gods.

Take criticism as it should be, as a way to make your guide better.

Check this out for some help and read this for some advanced tips.

Just read back my last post and it sounds like I'm being a bit harsh.

I didn't mean it in a horrible way, I just think you'll learn more from reading a good guide, rather than reading all our criticism.

That's a bit of a backwards way to look at things.
If you don't know how to build, then you should look at someone else's build guide for tips.
Not post a sub-optimal build, and then change it to what everyone tells you to anyway, because then you're just following other people's builds anyway, which is what you said you don't like doing in the first place.

See what I'm getting at?

Any ways, it's good to see your enthusiasm but you should let go of your pride/ego and check out some of the guides on here already.

Ok sorry, I didn't want to be rude, because there are actually many builds that aren't serious, so there was no point to comment until I know.

I see you changed your guide.
So, I'll ignore what was posted before and just focus on your new build.

That seems to fit more for the solo lane, and since I don't play Conquest much, I can't tell if the build is optimal or not.

However, I can suggest this :

- Watcher's Gift isn't that useful in the solo lane, since you will be killing the creeps yourself, and won't get the bonus.
- Until you 5th item, you are building only defensive items (Shoes of Magi is not enough to call this build "Damage"
- You're building 2 penetration items as your only damaging items. Which could be a good idea since Xing Tian abilities doesn't scale much from power, but if only 1 enemy has over 100 protection, I don't think it's worth it.
- I understand you want to have 40% CDR, but why do you start with the less effective CDR first ?
Spirit Robe with 2460 gold is not "cheap".
Spirit Robe gives you fewer protection, fewer CDR, fewer mana than Breatplate of Valor (3 stats useful in early game) while costing 510 more gold.
If you really want to have 40% CDR, I would suggest to use Shoes of Focus, this would give you a free slot.
Up to you to decide if you want to be more tanky, or deal more damage.

No, chronos pendant i thought was 15% CDR NOOB mistake. Truthfully im still a newb and posting guides to get better and get help with my builds. i dont like just following other peoples builds i like to make my own in all games. This build i play if i need to solo or duo in conquest, in joust and in arena. Its very versitile because it brings a lot to the team. cc enemy reductions, and it has crazy hp5 so with little defensive items you can tank





Yes yes i do

Seems like you still have a lot to learn before you start making guides.

Like others have said, you've overcapped cool downs, which is one of the basic mechanics of building, so you might want to get your head around that and revisit your build.

Your build also lacks any penetration, which really hinders your damage potential. While 15% damage every 60s from your purple book might be nice, you'll do much more damage total by swapping that item out for some penetration. A Void Stone would give you more magic protections with a pen aura that will help you and your mages, while a Spear of the Magus will give you a great deal of penetration from your multi hit abilities.

There are some other minor niggles I have, but addressing these two points as a priority should improve your game exponentially.

LOL, do u know that max CDR is 40%? U have here 50%. No penetration in this build. Mb this kind of build may fit the solo lane, but it looks like u recommend it for duo, so... something of this kind might be acceptable only if u have a guard on solo or jungle. Still i dislike it.

Just asking, is this a serious build or just a joke ?

Because it seems like a troll build, but your guide seems legit, so I'm confused.