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Don't buy crits.
Don't buy attack speed.
Don't buy lifesteal.
Don't buy defensive items.
Mute all players who says you are ****.
Have a nice day.
Many people will tell you to not go ADC, "Reported", "Trollpick", "Surrender at 10 mins" etc...
1. Mute all of this douchebags who can't break any misleading stereotypes in the world.
2. It's a great thing to go solo or ADC if you know what are you doing.
3. Jungle isn't that bad if you play carefully.
4. When you jungle,Hog might work, but don't take it, it doesn't worth to buy.
5. Don't mind the low damage you get after the game, average Loki always gets some of the lowest damages as Solo.
6. Don't play Joust, Joust is for noobs.
7. Have a great day.
Behind You! - Loki deals more damage from his basic attacks when hitting enemies from behind. His basic attacks also utilize a five swing progressive chain. Notes:
Bonus Damage: 20%
Vanish Loki disappears in a puff of smoke. While invisible, he moves faster, removes and gains immunity to Slow effects, and takes 25% less damage. His next basic attack from stealth (or for 2s after) applies a bleed to his target, dealing damage every .5s and reveals Loki.
Damage per Tick: 30/45/60/75/90 (+25% of your physical power)
Damage Duration: 2s
Stealth Duration: 4s - Stealth Movement Speed: 35%
Ability Type: Melee Target - Cooldown: 15 seconds
Cost: 70/75/80/85/90 mana
If your teammates are bunch of new players, better go split push the lane, instead of going into teamfight, on the way back get the survived enemy with a low hp.
Get Teleport as a solo laner, put wards near the tower, teleport, make a decoy from the jungle, don't actually go to lane, so you won't be noticed on the map too often, activate your 1st and attack the tower, make AA-cancels with the mouse right button too.
Take the tower and run like Forrest.
Alright, so you might already know Loki is designed as the trickster god and etc, so yeah this includes split pushing, reason why I made the whole new chapter about it is that tower attacking for Loki isn't just AA.
So many of you might think the combo goes like that :
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With this combo plus hydra you will deal 75%+ plus Dmg.
and you dont need to RMB after Aimed Strike.
Yes, you cancel the odd animation with RMB.
#Added new chapters.
*Posted this as bullfrog was posting his, sorry for repeating the same point. Masamune is still probably a better option than Stone Cutting Sword, but I'd only get it if you really want that movement speed.
Alternatively, if you're going for a defensive item, I think magi's blessing actually has some merit on Loki, as long as their team doesn't have any CC that can burn it easily when it's not needed. Since purification got nerfed since S2, I've found the additional CC immunity to be useful, especially since a single Ymir Frost Breath can mean death for Loki, even with a single protections item if you can't become immune and escape. CC reduction like Spirit Robe can be useful as well, but the difference between a 2 second stun and a 1.5 second stun usually isn't enough to survive late game (albeit, again I'd still consider Spirit Robe if they can easily burn my magi's blessing since that renders it pretty useless).
Protections isn't out of use, since it helps you survive and as the last item it has normal price.
Can't agree on this too The Crusher isn't better than Brawler's Beat Stick, as you already have extra damage with Hydra's Lament, it's just enough, at least you don't attack only the towers at all.
Yes Ymir's Frost Breath is deadly get puri in this case over sprint, or just simply avoid Ymir. I highly vouch Spirit Robe over any defensive items and the second place goes to Bulwark of Hope It's all situational.
Also, don't forget your Vanish has CD, which is quite long to survive in the center of teamfight, that's why you need movement speed.
When attacking with Loki, I usually go for this combo
Vanish / Basic attack / Aimed Strike / Basic attack / Assassinate / Basic attack
So, with Stone Cutting Sword, I would get the maximum benefit of the passive (protection reduction) only once my combo is done, which is too late.
And I doubt that 30 physical protection would help your survivability that much.
If you picked the item mostly for it's stats, because you like movement speed, why not go for Masamune, which has more stats, a passive that is fitting well with Loki, and way more cheaper (700g less) ?
At level 20, Loki has 1895 hp, which means that there aren't many gods that won't give you any bonus power. Even a squishy mage with a stacked Warlock's Sash would give you almost 50 more power.
Your combo isn't good, you Vanish / AA / Decoy / AA / Aimed Strike / AA / Assassinate / Possible AA. Here is a reason why I do it, you activate extra damage featuring Hydra's Lament four times, it's better :P .
To be honest, I buy Brawler's Beat Stick sometimes, over Stone Cutting Sword , it's situational, but I steal my jungler's buff most of the times.
And no, Masamune isn't an item that fits Loki, can't agree.
Of course I will add an option for Brawler's Beat Stick, but I am still thinking because SCS is more beneficial on Loki.
For me, none of them are good for Loki, but if you really like movement speed, I would pick Masamune over Stone Cutting Sword for the reasons written above.
As for the combo, I tried to throw Decoy in the combo (usually 3rd, before Assassinate) if I needed it. However, I found that it messed with my aiming.
That sounds weird, but when I click 2 to place the Decoy, if I just throw it away, the decoy will be in my face and body blocking me. I need to take time to place the decoy behind the target, and sometimes this gives enough time to my target to "escape" the melee range.
Usually, I don't even need that 4th basic attack anyway.
You don't need time to place it, well maybe it seems like you need, but when you masterize this new combo idea you won't have any problem with that.
I am against the tanky enemies as always in solo and I try to make most of the damage, so don't really trying to wait for low hp to two or one shot them, that's how high level Loki would do, from that point of view, Stone Cutting Sword gives more benefits than Masamune, If it's not in your playstyle go for Brawler's Beat Stick .
But the combo I've just told you is awesome you have to get used to it. Trust me.
While this is partly true that you should avoid them, thereis one defensive item that is pretty useful for assassins. This would be:
Shifter's Shield because it still gives a nice amount of power with it's protections.
While this is partly true that you should avoid them, thereis one defensive item that is pretty useful for assassins. This would be:
Shifter's Shield because it still gives a nice amount of power with it's protections.
Can't agree, Spirit Robe can be considered as the only effective Loki defensive item, if we don't count SCS, but it's rare to buy a defensive item, if you want to carry the **** out of em' noobs in ranked who think they are ruling every single ****.
The reason I still suggested it is more because of assault. Before new BF it had the highest power you could potentially get from it.
And well even as Loki or any other assassin if you get to far behind you can't do your job unless you decide to get some protections as they can maybe let you survive some sec longer. That's a part of the reason most assassins have at least 1 protection item nowadays (and no SCS doesn't count in my eyes, IMO it's not really that good for Loki as it's cost is too high. And in most cases your ult and 3 should be enough to kill most targets which only gives 1 stack after the damage I believe (never tested when you steal the protection before or after the damage) so it's more buying 50 power and 10% movement speed for 2900 gold). With the new BF it will probably drop on certain assassins as they will switch bulwark for BF.
The reason I still suggested it is more because of assault. Before new BF it had the highest power you could potentially get from it.
And well even as Loki or any other assassin if you get to far behind you can't do your job unless you decide to get some protections as they can maybe let you survive some sec longer. That's a part of the reason most assassins have at least 1 protection item nowadays (and no SCS doesn't count in my eyes, IMO it's not really that good for Loki as it's cost is too high. And in most cases your ult and 3 should be enough to kill most targets which only gives 1 stack after the damage I believe (never tested when you steal the protection before or after the damage) so it's more buying 50 power and 10% movement speed for 2900 gold). With the new BF it will probably drop on certain assassins as they will switch bulwark for BF.
First, SCS isn't a pen item, it's a flat armour reduction item, which is a type of penetration, yet it's different from penetration, I will explain why, Flat armour reduction applies before percentage penetration, then comes flat penetration, so in order to avoid confusion let's just don't call it a pen item.
Second, High level Loki doesn't need any defensive items, because Loki has two of the greatest escaping abilities in Smite, one is Vanish and the second is Assassinate, which can't be counted as the everyday escaping ability, because it's the ultimate.
Third, Everyone has their opinion, it's alright, it doesn't count as a defensive item for you, but it does for me, sometimes I don't even buy SCS, instead I get extra flat pen item and the cost isn't too high for the sixth item, also don't forget movement speed, which comes with SCS, your ulti and third isn't enough to kill someone effectively from high HP, that's the point of the player who is lacking experience about this god, Loki isn't one or two shotter (Not talking about the enemey with low HP). P.S You steal the protection when you do AA.
First, SCS isn't a pen item, it's a flat armour reduction item, which is a type of penetration, yet it's different from penetration, I will explain why, Flat armour reduction applies before percentage penetration, then comes flat penetration, so in order to avoid confusion let's just don't call it a pen item.
You forgot that % flat reduction is first in line. And it was unnecessary because I already know this since S1 where people still used the Titan's Bane The Executioner combo.
However they are still called pen items because the (store) category protection removal doesn't really exist in the game. So all items that remove/negate protections are considered pen items. That's the reason why in msot cases people call them pen items. This is just called terminology. In most cases these are the same for a big group of people, so that's why I use it that way and which makes them hard to discuss. I'm gonna leave it here before it ends up into another terminology discussion (last time someone used the word: objectives, however he only meant the GF and FG. However the term includes the structures too)
There is a bit of the problem thet you need either Vanish or Assassinate to get over there (especially if the person isn't alone).
And in most cases when I kill people with ult+3 I'm pretty fed anyway (so yeah then you have an escape). And well in a teamfight there a bit of use in protections (especially if your used to playing Loki in assault however with new BF you have a better substitute for power)
You forgot that % flat reduction is first in line. And it was unnecessary because I already know this since S1 where people still used the Titan's Bane The Executioner combo.
However they are still called pen items because the (store) category protection removal doesn't really exist in the game. So all items that remove/negate protections are considered pen items. That's the reason why in msot cases people call them pen items. This is just called terminology. In most cases these are the same for a big group of people, so that's why I use it that way and which makes them hard to discuss. I'm gonna leave it here before it ends up into another terminology discussion (last time someone used the word: objectives, however he only meant the GF and FG. However the term includes the structures too)
There is a bit of the problem thet you need either Vanish or Assassinate to get over there (especially if the person isn't alone).
And in most cases when I kill people with ult+3 I'm pretty fed anyway (so yeah then you have an escape). And well in a teamfight there a bit of use in protections (especially if your used to playing Loki in assault however with new BF you have a better substitute for power)
No, I didn't forget anything, we aren't talking about % flat reduction, no point to mention it. I don't know what you know, nor you do about my knowledge.
Yeah it's still categorized as pen I've already said that, no need to become Shakespeare about it.
I don't even take Assault mode seriously, if it's what you mean so no I don't play it that much. In most cases you can't kill ult+3 as Loki, He isn't one or two shotter god it's a dumb myth created by new players, so no don't mind ult+3 combo.
Loki combo is a thing which contains all of the four abilities + Hydra's Lament, if you know what I am saying.
Yeah you can one shot the enemy in teamfight if they are squishy and you are fed (20 LVL) and he/she is 12 lvl, LOL it's just funny as **** and unreal in regular ranked play, doesn't even worth to be mentioned.
It isn't, because jungler Loki isn't effective and probably won't lead you to victory in most of the cases, you just have to split push and make a profit of your character. Yes, Hydra's grant you extra damage if used correctly against the towers, yet I didn't consider to put it.
And as you can see it's just a variation of my GENERAL BUILD, WHICH IS "GENERAL" Which works on every damn role except support, so you don't really have to go after this. It's just ridiculas.
The only reason for the jungler to exist is actually for the bit of "pressure" it gives to other lanes (it's just to easy to ward), so I thought the extra bit of damage would have helped even more.
Sometimes ranked is even worse then casuals and vice versa. Even for pro games, so you never know what might happen.
Well, I don't give a roaming **** about your eyes, this is what is it, like it? Read it, if you don't feel free to go away, I'll rework on it when it's necessary, I don't have any pages on your ridiculous Loki build, I know you are pissed off, because I had negative comments about your guide (and it wasn't only me), but you have no idea about the God and major Smite tactics, yet creating guides, that's too bad. Have a nice day kid, bye.
Well, I don't give a roaming **** about your eyes, this is what is it, like it? Read it, if you don't feel free to go away, I'll rework on it when it's necessary, I don't have any pages on your ridiculous Loki build, I know you are pissed off, because I had negative comments about your guide (and it wasn't only me), but you have no idea about the God and major Smite tactics, yet creating guides, that's too bad. Have a nice day kid, bye.
It's clear to see you don't take well to criticism, but anyway. It's such a shame to see such potential gone in a mere click. Also, to clarify after reading your comment on my guide I decided to look at yours as recommended and quite clearly it's lack-luster and if I'm considered acting like a child then you must be a toddler.
It's clear to see you don't take well to criticism, but anyway. It's such a shame to see such potential gone in a mere click. Also, to clarify after reading your comment on my guide I decided to look at yours as recommended and quite clearly it's lack-luster and if I'm considered acting like a child then you must be a toddler.
It's not criticism, it's angry boy crying over my comments about his guide, you can ask me what are you lacking in this guide/build, your build was trash and I said it, explained exactly, what was wrong, now I am asking the same from you.
It's not criticism
This part acctually is:
You see that I only removed like 1-2 sentences there that were unnecessary.
Normally I'm known for being really nitpicky about when something is a build or a guide. The reason why I didn't decide to mention it was because it was already mentioned. However to clarify what we have here: it's neither a build or a guide, It's incomplete.
For a build you are missing the part where you explain your item choices or a description of the play style of the build (e.g. if you have a Ra build you can make the playstyle more of a healing playstyle or just a normal burst mage playstyle).
It also misses skill order (which you can make per build, however I get why you decided to put it in the skill section). and the skill section itself can use a small explanation of the skills itself why to use them (you did the why/when to lvl this skill over this one part). This is because new players (who normally search for the guides) don't know everything about the abilities. E.g. like that they can use Loki's ult to escape if really needed or other small things like decoy being able to body block.
You are missing an introduction, which is mostly used to let people see why you made the guide and explains why/when people should use your guide (e.g. if you have a non-meta. You can also say it's meant for mode x and y and not for mode z etc.)
You also need a conclusion/recap of the most important things (and to just make your guide look finished)
for a guide you need to extend the part of a build with Pros & Cons, Gameplay (which you kinda already have with a build, however in this case you will need to go indepth) and Combos. As bonus sections you could add god match-ups.
And for the sections you do have already you need a lot more depth and argumentation. So if you say: "If you are going on the lanes, you need to up your second over your 3 or 1." say exactly why. This can sometimes end up in several of your sentences being totally unnecessary or wrongly worded.
And lastly for both you need some formatting so people decide to read it and don't drop out after a while. For formatting you have some BBcoding and some of it is kinda considered required however if it isn't in there most people will still upvote). You do have some places where the formatting could be fixed (and also some grammar mistakes that can be confusing
(e.g. like the sentence over maxing 2 over 3 or 1 in lane. you state: second over 3 or 1. this could better be changed to max your 2 over 3 or 1 or max your second ability over your third or first ability)
Hope you can do something with this criticism and not just disregard someone comment, because you had some sort of "argument" on another thread/guide/blog/etc. on the site.
This part acctually is:
You see that I only removed like 1-2 sentences there that were unnecessary.
Normally I'm known for being really nitpicky about when something is a build or a guide. The reason why I didn't decide to mention it was because it was already mentioned. However to clarify what we have here: it's neither a build or a guide, It's incomplete.
For a build you are missing the part where you explain your item choices or a description of the play style of the build (e.g. if you have a Ra build you can make the playstyle more of a healing playstyle or just a normal burst mage playstyle).
It also misses skill order (which you can make per build, however I get why you decided to put it in the skill section). and the skill section itself can use a small explanation of the skills itself why to use them (you did the why/when to lvl this skill over this one part). This is because new players (who normally search for the guides) don't know everything about the abilities. E.g. like that they can use Loki's ult to escape if really needed or other small things like decoy being able to body block.
You are missing an introduction, which is mostly used to let people see why you made the guide and explains why/when people should use your guide (e.g. if you have a non-meta. You can also say it's meant for mode x and y and not for mode z etc.)
You also need a conclusion/recap of the most important things (and to just make your guide look finished)
for a guide you need to extend the part of a build with Pros & Cons, Gameplay (which you kinda already have with a build, however in this case you will need to go indepth) and Combos. As bonus sections you could add god match-ups.
And for the sections you do have already you need a lot more depth and argumentation. So if you say: "If you are going on the lanes, you need to up your second over your 3 or 1." say exactly why. This can sometimes end up in several of your sentences being totally unnecessary or wrongly worded.
And lastly for both you need some formatting so people decide to read it and don't drop out after a while. For formatting you have some BBcoding and some of it is kinda considered required however if it isn't in there most people will still upvote). You do have some places where the formatting could be fixed (and also some grammar mistakes that can be confusing
(e.g. like the sentence over maxing 2 over 3 or 1 in lane. you state: second over 3 or 1. this could better be changed to max your 2 over 3 or 1 or max your second ability over your third or first ability)
Hope you can do something with this criticism and not just disregard someone comment, because you had some sort of "argument" on another thread/guide/blog/etc. on the site.
First of all, let's start from Sodsboy's Loki build, which isn't the build by the player who knows how this game and Loki works, talking about penetration, power and stuff like that. His build was far, far, far, ******** far away, from being even a regular Loki build and I wasn't the only guy who mentioned that, so, he reading my comment, checks my guides and writes irrelevant negative comments, calling it "criticism", which also is far, far, far, ******** far away from the actual criticism.
I wrote this guide as the "Build Only" page, which I've corrected after adding some explanations. As Loki you don't need to mention your playstyle, why? Because Loki has only one playstyle and it's the burst-damage assassin, the only exception-like thing can be "Split Pushing Loki" and in this case you are still high burst damager, still interested why? Because developers designed Loki for that and you don't need to be Captain Obvious to mention that, just read the abilities in Smite.
Skill order will be always missed, because it's very situational, depends on the enemy, lane, teammates, etc... Loki is very different from the other gods in Smite, maybe that's why you are confused over skill order section.
I am good with BB codes, I didn't have enough time to do so and the another reason was that, when someone needs to know more, he doesn't need any BB coding, he can simply read.
Talking about my grammar in this guide is really "out of ***" and odd. I wrote this in the way we talk everyday on the network, this isn't grammar exam page.
I am aware that you are trying to be objective, but you sir have no idea if you really think my opinion about his build was just some sort of "argument", in quotes, like it is not really an argument and is out of reality, because what I have wrote to him was pure truth and I mentioned it to not get someone, some new player confused.
P.S Please, think before you blame me in anything, I write this guide to help people, not to get famous LOL and someone who does it to be popular is just dumb and childish.
P.P.S This guide surely will be updated soon with more information and BB Coding too, the third reason why I haven't done this yet, are the readers of this guide itself. So if I see someone gives a single **** about it, I will try to make it better, if I see only 1 or 2 readers it doesn't worth to take my time.
First of all, let's start from Sodsboy's Loki build, which isn't the build by the player who knows how this game and Loki works, talking about penetration, power and stuff like that. His build was far, far, far, ******** far away, from being even a regular Loki build and I wasn't the only guy who mentioned that, so, he reading my comment, checks my guides and writes irrelevant negative comments, calling it "criticism", which also is far, far, far, ******** far away from the actual criticism.
Just so you know I haven't looked at his guide/build/whatever (let's just say build) and I'm not really planning too. So if I hear it right his build is like most of the Loki builds you see: A Crit build? Still whatever happened there doesn't take away that most of his first comment did include some criticism. However he did include several (really) unnecessary sentences.
I wrote this guide as the "Build Only" page, which I've corrected after adding some explanations. As Loki you don't need to mention your playstyle, why? Because Loki has only one playstyle and it's the burst-damage assassin, the only exception-like thing can be "Split Pushing Loki" and in this case you are still high burst damager, still interested why? Because developers designed Loki for that and you don't need to be Captain Obvious to mention that, just read the abilities in Smite.
Well then you take item explanations of why you pick item X (best example is why do you take warrior over ninja etc. Also don't answer this to me as I know power>AS on Loki).
Also you sort of make the mistake of which public you write this guide for. It's not simply people who play or a new to Loki. Well it kinda is however you have 2 categories to it: people who are experienced and people who are totally new to the game and maybe never seen Loki before. And in most cases the latter search for these things the most. And well imo they need a captain obvious. The amount of Crit Loki builds I have seen on this sites are a lot.
Skill order will be always missed, because it's very situational, depends on the enemy, lane, teammates, etc... Loki is very different from the other gods in Smite, maybe that's why you are confused over skill order section.
This part kinda makes me feel like you didn't really read my comment, because I said I get why you didn't include it in the top. I don't get why you call me confused about the order. The point about confusion was more to point out how inconsistencies in grammar/spelling can make people confused or make something not understandable.
I am good with BB codes, I didn't have enough time to do so and the another reason was that, when someone needs to know more, he doesn't need any BB coding, he can simply read.
The sort of BBcoding most people here see required are the things like: Loki, (which you start to do automatically after a while). This kind of BBcoding is useful for people that don't know what a certain ability does (exactly, like amount of damage etc.)) from the top of their head.
And well simple formatting as chapters and paragraphs are pretty clear why you want to have those. Because it's really annoying to read text walls.
Talking about my grammar in this guide is really "out of ***" and odd. I wrote this in the way we talk everyday on the network, this isn't grammar exam page.
There is a difference between grammar you see in guide and discussions threads then the grammar you see on "normal" threads and blogs. This is because you want to bring a certain point in your argument and being not clear makes the point you have unclear. This can lead into people misunderstanding your argument. In most of the really good guides you see "normal" grammar (like you use at school).
I don't really care about grammar (mine isn't perfect either), however it needs to be understandable.
I am aware that you are trying to be objective, but you sir have no idea if you really think my opinion about his build was just some sort of "argument", in quotes, like it is not really an argument and is out of reality, because what I have wrote to him was pure truth and I mentioned it to not get someone, some new player confused.
As I mentioned before I haven't looked at his build or the discussion/argument you guys had there.
P.S Please, think before you blame me in anything, I write this guide to help people, not to get famous LOL and someone who does it to be popular is just dumb and childish.
Don't assume I blame you for something (maybe being a little bit ignorant on some points)
P.P.S This guide surely will be updated soon with more information and BB Coding too, the third reason why I haven't done this yet, are the readers of this guide itself. So if I see someone gives a single **** about it, I will try to make it better, if I see only 1 or 2 readers it doesn't worth to take my time.
Good to see this, however don't look at the commentators for this though but at the view growth rate.
The sort of BBcoding most people here see required are the things like: Loki, (which you start to do automatically after a while). This kind of BBcoding is useful for people that don't know what a certain ability does (exactly, like amount of damage etc.)) from the top of their head.
I started this because everyone cried about that on forums as well.
There is a difference between grammar you see in guide and discussions threads then the grammar you see on "normal" threads and blogs. This is because you want to bring a certain point in your argument and being not clear makes the point you have unclear. This can lead into people misunderstanding your argument. In most of the really good guides you see "normal" grammar (like you use at school).
My point was clear anyway, maybe it wasn't for you because of searching unnecessary mistakes.
Don't assume I blame you for something (maybe being a little bit ignorant on some points)
Yeah if you mean the ignorance over BBcoding, I can tell you that I've never used webpage/forum before and it was my first approach to Network, which actually isn't true. If your point was different, then please explain right away.
The amount of Crit Loki builds I have seen on this sites are a lot.
That's why the amount of bad Loki players you have seen are more.
The ignorance part was more to the part of ignoring what sods said about missing sections. The outrage under it is something I blame more on sods though as he kinda provoked it
LMAO
Thanks.