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Cernunnos Carry Conquest Build (5.20)

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Smite God: Cernunnos

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Start 1

Build Item Hunter's Blessing Hunter's Blessing
Build Item Spiked Gauntlet Spiked Gauntlet
Build Item Healing Potion Healing Potion
Build Item Healing Potion Healing Potion
Build Item Multi Potion Multi Potion
Build Item Multi Potion Multi Potion

Build 1

Build Item Devourer's Gauntlet Devourer's Gauntlet
Build Item Ninja Tabi Ninja Tabi
Build Item Ichaival Ichaival
Build Item The Executioner The Executioner
Build Item Qin's Sais Qin's Sais
Build Item Titan's Bane Titan's Bane

Build 1 Lategame/ Fully Finished

Build Item Devourer's Gauntlet Devourer's Gauntlet
Build Item Ninja Tabi Ninja Tabi
Build Item The Executioner The Executioner
Build Item Qin's Sais Qin's Sais
Build Item Titan's Bane Titan's Bane
Build Item Odysseus' Bow Odysseus' Bow

Start 2

Build Item Hunter's Blessing Hunter's Blessing
Build Item Morningstar Morningstar
Build Item Healing Potion Healing Potion
Build Item Healing Potion Healing Potion
Build Item Multi Potion Multi Potion
Build Item Multi Potion Multi Potion

Build 2

Build Item Transcendence Transcendence
Build Item Ninja Tabi Ninja Tabi
Build Item The Executioner The Executioner
Build Item Qin's Sais Qin's Sais
Build Item Titan's Bane Titan's Bane
Build Item Bloodforge Bloodforge

Alternative items

Build Item Asi Asi
Build Item Toxic Blade Toxic Blade
Build Item Mantle of Discord Mantle of Discord
Build Item Magi's Cloak Magi's Cloak
Build Item Winged Blade Winged Blade

Relics

Build Item Purification Beads Purification Beads
Build Item Aegis Amulet Aegis Amulet

(Against Squishy team) Crit Build

Build Item Devourer's Gauntlet Devourer's Gauntlet
Build Item Ninja Tabi Ninja Tabi
Build Item Rage Rage
Build Item The Executioner The Executioner
Build Item Deathbringer Deathbringer
Build Item Poisoned Star Poisoned Star

Crit Build If behind

Build Item Devourer's Gauntlet Devourer's Gauntlet
Build Item Ninja Tabi Ninja Tabi
Build Item Poisoned Star Poisoned Star
Build Item The Executioner The Executioner
Build Item Deathbringer Deathbringer
Build Item Wind Demon Wind Demon

Cernunnos's Skill Order

Shifter of Seasons

Shifter of Seasons

1 X
2 8 10 11 12
Bramble Blast

Bramble Blast

2 A
1 3 6 7 9
Horn Charge

Horn Charge

3 B
4 15 16 18 19
The Wild Hunt

The Wild Hunt

4 Y
5 13 14 17 20
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Cernunnos' Threats

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Cernunnos' threats

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ADC build for Cernunnos.

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Branmuffin17 (252) | May 18, 2018 1:41pm
Okay, new comment thread, so I have more width =P

If we want to make some assumptions about the accuracy of Smite Builder, let's at least verify a couple of points.

When calculating DPS, it's the product of basic attack damage & attack speed. Looking at these individual values, attack speed is only important when calculating DPS, so it's probably best that we first confirm accuracy of the damage of a single basic attack. Agreed?

For this, since Smite Builder doesn't have an option to include Starter items (like Hunter's Blessing), we'll eliminate that from the equation and just look at full items.

Some basic values that will remain consistent


Okay. So we have to look at several different things to calculate the damage from a basic hit:
  • Base damage at level 20 (37 +2.5 per level) = 87 base damage

  • Total power from items (Ninja = 20, Devo's = 58, Ichaival @ 3 stacks = 21, Qin's = 40, Exe = 30) = 139 total power w/ Qin's, 129 total power w/ Exe.

    And here's where I find a Smite Builder mistake. Devo's is the specific culprit. It SHOULD apply 58 power at max stacks, but is actually showing 65. For the sake of ease of calculation, I adjusted the stacks in SB to 55, which provides the power contribution it SHOULD provide.

  • Mitigation from protections for the specific enemy

  • For Qin's, additional damage from the passive, with mitigation factored in

  • For Exe, adjusted mitigation from reduced protections
So I don't have to consider both 0 and max stacks, I'm just going to compare with max stacks of Exe. If Qin's can beat out max stacks, it's no contest, right?

Actual Calculations to verify Basic Attack Damage: Qin's Against Agni

Actual calculations to verify basic attack damage: Qin's Against Athena

SB Picture w/ Qin's


Anyway, now we'll confirm the Exe values, using only a fully stacked Exe, and see how they stand up to Qin's. We'll look again at both Agni and Athena. This means our pen value is 36% + flat 10.

Actual calculations to verify basic attack damage: Exe Against Agni and Athena

SB Picture w/ Exe


With all of this stated, we can assume that the stated values are accurate.

Single basic hits:
  • Qin's vs. Agni: 183
  • Exe (full stacks) vs. Agni: 166
  • Qin's vs. Athena*: 150 (*remember, SB is actually only using 3% in its calculation...)
  • Exe (full stacks) vs. Athena: 111
Based on these values, I can basically guarantee without doing AS calculations that Qin's is straight up superior to Exe. BUT...I'll do two AS calculations just to confirm a couple of the SB stated DPS values.

DPS - Exe vs. Athena:
I'm just going to make this really easy. Cern's AS is 1.98. (111 damage/hit) * (1.98 hits/second) = 219.78, so we can see exactly why SB states 220 DPS.

DPS - Qin's vs. Athena:
Now here is where it's going to be a bit more interesting to see...because SB isn't even accurate with this value. Cern's AS is 1.88. (150 damage/hit) * (1.88 hits/second) = 282 DPS.

As such, I straight up stand by my conclusion that Qin's provides the better DPS across the board. Perhaps the ONLY situation where you might see similar Qin's and Exe values is against a very tanky god that builds 0 extra health.

Unless I've made some grievous errors in calculations, the people that commented on Reddit are basically 1) assuming things, and 2) not doing any calculations themselves.

Thoughts?
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Kriega1 (55) | May 18, 2018 2:04pm
Im going to test in game and then make my mind up.
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Branmuffin17 (252) | May 18, 2018 2:11pm
There's always that method too XD

(did I just do all that work for nothing? Am I the only one that likes these calcs? How much of a nerd am I?)
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boogiebass (26) | May 17, 2018 2:16pm
Also ichaival is a bridge item. It has no place in a final build.
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Branmuffin17 (252) | May 17, 2018 2:27pm
Boog, The build with Ichaival, immediately underneath, says "lategame / fully finished" and has the item replaced...

(that said, Kriega, you COULD just have the one build line, and throw O-Bow at the end, saying to replace Ichaival with it late-game)
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boogiebass (26) | May 17, 2018 2:37pm
Sorry smite on mobile is a bit tough to use. Especially when your mobile sucks.
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boogiebass (26) | May 17, 2018 2:01pm
Has titans bane been changed where it can be built together with executioner? In the past, multiple stacks of exe would give diminishing returns on tb. Is this still the case?
If not, the only time i would suggest this setup is if multiple enemies are building double physical defense.

Your crit build is the only one i like at the moment.
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Branmuffin17 (252) | May 17, 2018 2:03pm
Nothing's really changed, TB still sees diminished effect when built with Exe. That said, it's just a percentage, not fully rendered ineffective, and combined, offers extremely high pen against tanks. And with most Supps and Solos usually building full tank, it can be very effective. It is of course situational.
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boogiebass (26) | May 17, 2018 2:15pm
Yup situational. Id only build this if the enemy support, solo, and jg were building mldouble+ physical protections while enemy mid and adc are irrelevant.
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Branmuffin17 (252) | May 17, 2018 12:38pm
FYI, if you do build 1 and do in fact get Ichaival as a bridge, I believe your better DPS option immediately after is Qin's Sais. It will provide more personal damage to both tanks and squishies at that point, especially due to having 3 sources of attack speed (Blessing, Ninja, Ichaival). Granted, it costs more, but I think it's probably worth the 350 extra gold over The Executioner.
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Kriega1 (55) | May 17, 2018 12:40pm
Are you sure? I mean you only get 10 penetration from Ichaival, so I doubt Qin's Sais will be that effective against tanks without The Executioner, especially since they are likely to have a lot more health by the time you get it after The Executioner making the passive of Qin's Sais more effective. After all, there seems to be a reason that every pro gets Qin's Sais after The Executioner. Also the cost means you are at a disadvantage in lane against the enemy adc as they will have a full item before you.
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Branmuffin17 (252) | May 17, 2018 12:59pm
Fairly certain. Ran numbers in Smite Builder on this specific subject...but those might not be fully accurate.

At the point you have all that attack speed, remember that power will do more for your DPS. 10 extra power isn't all that much when getting Qin's, but of course we also factor in the Qin's passive.

Specifically using Smite Builder's DPS calculation here. Using based on level 15 enemies, Agni has 1,425 health and 50 phys prots, Herc has 2,220 health and 138 phys prots, Athena has 2,600 health and 148 phys prots. Calculating with Ichaival at max stacks only. For The Executioner, giving DPS range from 0-3 stacks.

DPS w/ Qins:
  • Agni: 340
  • Hercules: 228
  • Athena: 228 (same as Herc, assuming because higher health and protections balanced each other)

DPS w/ Exe:

At full Exe stacks, DPS is almost equal, though if you're being technical, Qin's wins out even there. At 0 Exe stacks, Qin's is just straight up superior. Better overall DPS at that stage against both squishies and tanks.

There are probably multiple reasons why pros might get Exe. Stacks mean phys teammates also deal higher damage. 350 gold cheaper of course. And maybe in some cases they're just stuck in their old ways.

To me, I doubt 350 gold is going to make a huge difference for most people at regular skill level, unless you're backing and have just enough for Exe but not Qin's. At that point, I'd probably just get Exe. But if I back and I have enough for Qin's, I think that's the way to go.

(I do want to note, these values were all WITHOUT Hunter's Blessing, since Smite Builder doesn't have it available as an item. With even higher attack speed, I believe Qin's at that stage will win out even further compared to Exe)
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