Hadeez nuts (Non Conquest)

Just ignore him.

Ok, thanks for the input from all of you. I have only been playing hardcore a couple of months so I am nowhere near ready to think i have figured anything out. More often than not i just kind of have started looking at what I want in a build and trying to find what i can, since i am nowhere near as familiar with all of the items as a lot of you here are.

That being said, on any class/character I value movement and lately I have been really getting cc'ed a lot no matter what character i am on. I also know that some characters are more cooldown reliant than others(right now that is about the only complaint i have learning sobek), and just from the handful of games I have played with Hades it seems like cooldowns would help a lot with him because i figure spamming his abilities as much as possible will be a key part of staying alive with him.

With those points in mind, i kind of just slapped this together and was going to try it out. Only playing arena currently.

Shoes of Focus Ethereal Staff Chronos' Pendant Gem of Isolation(particularly this one, ccr aside, it seems like it can be a pain getting blight on all enemies so this would ensure everyone near was slowed in some way after unloading abilities on them to make )it easier for team to clean up.) Soul Gem since i am using my abilities so much and would be using them more with cdr I figured that this was a good way to add lifesteal, a heal and get another nice boost in power since he is squishy. Spear of the Magus seemed like a good way to end the build giving some penetration and also the debuff.

I know that if i didn't go full cdr i could add in boots of magi for more penetration, or i could put something in place of the gem of isolation since hades already has a slow mechanic built into his kit. I was thinking maybe to give that extra kick to damage(especially for his ult when grabbing opponents with low health since he can easily hit/grab multiple enemies might be the rod of tahuti in place of the gem of isolation. I also thought about Winged Blade for the extra movement/health/crowd control as a replacement for the gem. I hope my thoughts are not too ridiculous sounding. Still finding my way through all this stuff. lol.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, would mystic mail be a viable alternative in a bruiser build or even this one since it adds extra damage every second when they are forced to stay in the radius of his ult?

I'm more of a theory crafter like Bran; I haven't played Hades enough to consider myself good with him but I have seen plenty of good and bad players to get something of an idea of how to play him.

> [...] Mysterion are pretty good with him [...]
> Me Mastery I with 5 matches played: OH, yeah, my main

You don't like much, do you? :P

I don't really play Hades but these are my suggestions:

Add more situationals/alternatives: ethereal, reaver, magus, obsidian, urchin, spirit robe, elo helm (celestial helm), typhons (people don't build anti-heal in arena for some reason).

Also for arena i'd straight up remove warlocks as an option.

Add tier 2 bancrofts as a start.

Thorns and bracer could also be possible relic options.

In the first build example either swap deso for chronos' pendant, magus, obsidian or ethereal or a tank item. Get Divine Ruin fifth.

Hide of the Urchin, Gem of Isolation, Soul Reaver*, Oni Hunter's Garb, etc.

*this is more for his 1 and 2 than his ult.

He does; he keeps it on the shelf and pulls it down occasionally to remind himself why he encased it in shatterproof glass.

I think a lot of this really depends on the individual match.

Itemization - Tanky/Bruiser

First, with builds, based on my previous comment that you pasted in, you know I like Warlock + Mantle/Spirit to balance protections and health. Not that you should get caught up with terms like "bruiser," but I'd point out that a lot of mages these days build that way...at least Warlock, with a possibility of a protection item if they need it.

That said, if you find it a pain to build stacks, then sub in Hide of the Urchin, and get a couple of other protection or hybrid items, and you can still tank a good amount of damage.


Itemization - Spear of the Magus / Damage

Spear of the Magus seems like an obvious choice due to the easy stacking of Pillar of Agony. However...how many escapes does the enemy team have that can easily get out of it? How good are you at capturing at least a couple of gods in it with proper timing and awareness to counter those escapes (e.g. also Blink Rune necessary to really make that happen).

In all honesty, a lot of your build choices really are going to center around your effectiveness with that ult. If you have difficulties with that...I wouldn't try to force it. Your other damaging abilities only hit twice (maybe Devour Souls can double-tap if they're blighted, not sure, which would make it 3 times). That's not enough to really get good effect from Spear of the Magus.

So we look at build opportunities overall. He's got great scaling if you get all hits of his ult (240%), decent scaling in Death From Below (60%), and great scaling from Devour Souls if you use the Death/Devour combo (120%). That 1-3 combo actually equals 180% scaling. So, even without his ult, you can see that a higher power build can have good effect on your damage potential. Keep that in mind. Items that provide ANY power are then possibly better than true protection/tank items, at least as long as you have a balance of protections and health.

Then, consider that, maybe, Spear of the Magus might actually NOT be the best item for him, again because the only time he can make full use of it is via trapping enemies for multiple hits in his ult...if they get hit twice and jump out, it's not all that great. Also you consider your team comp...maybe another magical teammate might be able to apply stacks of Spear easier, so maybe they want to pick it up...or maybe your only other magical teammate is a more passive Guardian...again, not as great.

So, if you bypass Spear, make up for it with any combination of Void Stone, Divine Ruin, Spear of Desolation, Shoes of the Magi, etc. Might actually be more effective too, with possibly higher pen effect up front.


Itemization - CDR

I can absolutely support the idea of max CDR (though I don't think it HAS to be Chronos + BoV, and it doesn't have to be all super rushed). Patch 5.7 took away Devour Souls' consuming Blight. Now, you can have that blight perpetually active. It has a duration of 8 seconds, and if you have max CDR, Death From Below (8.4s CDR, provides a 2s slow), Shroud of Darkness (6s CDR, provides a 2s fear) and Devour Souls (6.6s, provides a small heal) will give you a ton of utility.

BoV then is great if you face more physical than magical. Chronos is great if you want that enhanced CDR passive...or you get one of the two, and fill in the CDR gap with any of a variety of other CDR items.

In the end...he can be built a BUNCH of different ways. I'd keep things very flexible.