Ravana Puncha Pow-a (S8, All Modes, Patch 8.10 "The Queen of the Banshees")

16-0 incredible build

Oh I gotta try this out.

Is this a new guide? I've never noticed that you have a Ravana Guide

For the solo build I would get blackthorn before void shield because it works quite well with glad Shield due to the extra health.

No this sums it up perfectly and we got our *** kicked by that ravana cause we didnt have anyone on team w any hard CC or counter him in anyway, tho i tried with Witchblade just wasnt enough. Thought it looked weak in the in game build calculator.

Still new to all this but really enjoying trying to learn the item meta and understanding counterbuilding.

Appreciate the reply.

Hey Gunner, thanks very much!

Well, I don't play Siege much, so I'm only going to comment theoretically.

http://eliteownage.com/smitebuilder.html

Looks like you're right...it maxes (and blows past) max attack speed. If I take Asi away, for example, his attack speed drops just a bit below max (2.3 instead of 2.5). The issue I have with this is a general issue I have with build efficiencies. For example, I don't like overcapping CDR. If we generally trust that prices for items are a reflection of the specific functions and specs they provide, what you're doing when you throw away some specs due to passing the cap, you're basically paying MORE than the item is worth.

So, that covers the idea of all attack speed items.

Now, the next issue is Odysseus' Bow. The passive reads: every fourth basic attack triggers a chain lightning, damaging the target and up to 4 nearby enemies for 30 damage +50% of your total physical power. Since he is attacking so quickly, it's going to proc a lot. However, that proc is only doing an extra 30 + 30 damage per target hit. That's right, this build only provides 60 power. So, without building significantly more power, the proc is going to do less than a single hit to any single target.

Using that Smite Builder, compared to various builds, each hit is doing in the range of 88 (tanky) to 151 (no item-based protections). So that 60 damage proc is almost nothing, even hitting 5 total enemies.

Another issue? Almost no penetration. This may or may not be a huge issue, depending on what the enemy team built, and what kinds of gods they were. If they were all squishy and none built physical protections, not a huge deal. They might have as little as 63 protection, so Asi's 15 flat pen might be enough...sort of. But his damage output would still benefit from more penetration. Also, keep in mind that Qin's Sais passive 4% is before protection calculations...so the more pen, the higher the Qin's passive damage.

When building for basic attacking, it's important to note that although attack speed is important, there are other specs that benefit when considered as a whole. Attack speed helps with crit items, Qin's Sais passive proc, anything where on-hit stacking is required (e.g. Heartseeker, Soul Eater, The Executioner), and lifesteal. But one other thing that is key is power. Physical gods need this more than magical gods. Basic attack damage is directly connected to power. Add 20 power, do 20 more base damage (before protection and penetration calculations). With only 60 power, poor Ravana's muscles are practically suffering from atrophy. (But he looks so beefy!)

In your stated build, (again using my 3 enemies with different builds as a comparison), Rav's DPS ranges from 378 (squishy target) to 220 DPS (tanky). Just to show how much things can change, I'm going to replace Ninja Tabi with Warrior Tabi. Keep in mind, this is only a 20 power difference, with less attack speed. DPS moves a bit, now reading 388 DPS to 223. Hmmm, didn't move much. Why? Still very little penetration. Okay, well, that was the right direction. Let's try another. Now I continue with the rebuild, changing Odysseus' Bow with The Executioner. Exe is a protection reduction item, rather than basic penetration, so while stacks are full, it reduces the enemy's physical protection by 32% for ALL physical damage, no matter the source. Let's check DPS now. Okay, NOW we're talking. Ranges from 471 to 299 DPS. See how much his damage jumped? Keep in mind, his power is now 110 (instead of 60), and his attack speed is 2.2 (instead of 2.5).

In the end...building with a focus for only one stat (attack speed in this case) makes the build inefficient. Overcapping attack speed at the cost of power, penetration, etc., hurts. And this doesn't even take into account his damaging abilities, which benefit exactly 0 from attack speed.

Now, did that Ravana do well? Maybe. If he was really skilled, or maybe even just okay, but his enemies were just learning how to use a basic attack, he might still win. But if you pit him against a competent player, he should be destroyed, though his move speed might allow him to run away before he dies. And yes, in combination with pretty poor DPS, he's squishy. No protections built.

Just for comparison purposes, let's try my example basic attack build. Ninja Tabi, Frostbound Hammer, Soul Eater, The Executioner, Qin's Sais, Spirit Robe. DPS is 400 to 267 DPS. So my build is somewhat weaker than the altered example above. However, my build incorporates a few key things that make it much more functional. Instead of Hastened Fatalis' passive move speed for Rav, I get the same type of effect against the enemy by slowing them. I have more health. I have more 40 more of each protection, sometimes have 15% damage mitigation, and 10% CDR (some is better than none, right?). If I have full stacks on Soul Eater, I have the same 10% move speed as Hastened, more lifesteal (30% in fact), and if I get below 50% health, I get a boost of almost 500 health!

So, it's important to build to account for multiple things. Best to balance power, pen, attack speed, etc. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions!

Really loving your guides. I saw this build in a Siege yesterday and wanted to see what you guys thought

Quins
Ninja
Odyseus Bow(think it was ichaival early)
Asi
Winged Blade
Hastend Fatalis

It fully maxes atk speed but makes you squishy as all hell and really vulnerable but I found it interesting in Siege mid-late during teamfights because the chain off odyseus bow ramps up the power across everyone while the passive and lifesteal add to the sustain.

@Almightybrad: so you bypass Rage, and finish with Deathbringer? Hmmm...I might have to try that out. Thanks for the feedback!

I use a similar build and I use Deathbringer as my final item. I attack so fast so I get several crits in. They hit for 500-600.

Thanks Prism!

Okay, so I tried the crit build...our team won in the end, but it was close. I barely got Deathbringer to complete my build (with only tier 2 beads) before the game was ended...I didn't even get to HIT anyone.

Now, my minion damage is often higher than it was this game, which likely means I get more $$$ in those games, but I'm guessing it'd still be very, very close. I'm wondering if the crit build is even feasible in most situations. At 5 full items, Qin's Sais is more effective than Rage overall.

Anyone willing to go for my crit build themselves in a couple games and see what results you have?

Challenge Met !

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