Sure, She was broken but you didn't have to rework her completely, You could have just debuffed her.
Example: new clay minions the clay minions duration is halved when in a tower.
Flame strike: instand of a 1s stun it will become a 0.5 stun.
Pillars of heaven: If you trap the tower insinde the pillars, you will gain 1.5x basic attack damage againts the tower. You will gain 2x basic attack damage against enemy gods and minions if you will not cast it on the tower.
I mean, I know hirez was too dumb too think about this, But why did you have to remodel her?! i mean, her old voicepack really made her sound powerful and amazing.
I have nothing against the new wa, But the old wa was just so much fun.
Clearly, you failed to understand anything I just typed or are willingly shoving your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes.
Half of this paragraph is insults. Now, really? How on earth am I supposed to reply to a statement that basically says "You're stupid and wrong?" There's nothing to argue with, which means you can't argue.
Finally, he admits that Nu Wa isn't some omnipotent monster!
FG and GF ARE objectives, young neophyte. Look up "neophyte," by the way.
So basically, you're saying she can solo towers unless stopped by an assassin...and she's practically useless in teamfights.
"she was pretty much useless in teamfights"
Um, firstly, she was hardly useless in teamfights with her decent damage and stuns and AoE CC.
Secondly, if you can just send an assassin to 100-0 her, and she's weaker in teamfights, I can't see why you think she was broken at all. It sounds like a perfectly reasonable trade-off: Pushing power for teamfight power. HOTS has the same system - the Specialist classes all revolve around pushing in exchange for other things, in theory. And the Specialist class doesn't break the game.
I guess someone as narrow-minded as HiRez and yourself can't understand that. Anything that deviates from the standard "HiRez suite" classes is something that must be purged.
*eyeroll*
If Nu Wa is splitpushing, that's not a 4v4, but a 5v4, unless you make it a 4v4. But then again, Smite doesn't really have a true splitpusher - gods who can splitpush, but no one who's a dedicated splitpusher, so I can see how you don't understand how to react to one.
In LoL, when someone is splitpushing, you either send someone after them or press your advantage. You could send the entire team after them. Or just one person. Or you can push yourselves, since it's a 4v5 and five push harder than one.
That was a very flawed example, completely ignoring the 12-5 Artemis, the enemy Anhur with less player damage than the team tank, and most importantly, how these splitpushes were even made possible because the allied team kept killing the enemy team, preventing the worst of any retaliation.
What you don't understand is that ANYONE could do that. Practically any physical damage dealer can pound on towers quickly, especially when no one's coming after them, and especially when half the enemy team is dead.
In any case, you said it yourself: Nu Wa "is useless" in teamfights. If that is true, she's hardly broken. Or is that "nitpicking," too?
Oh, Finally, The silly objective arguing part is over.
I agree, But unfortunately there's nothing we old wa lovers can do now, She's all gone ;(
Oh god get off my case, it was obvious as **** i meant towers, if you dont understand that, it is fking obvious you and sub never played Smite while Old Na was out, because otherwise you wouldn´t have called me out on that. Everbody who played at that time would have understood i meant objectives=towers, but it´s ok, i dont care how arrogant i seem to you since you didnt even played her. You are just here to call me out on a thing you dont understand, adios see you in a month or so.
If I hadn't done it probably someone else here would (especially the person who argues with you as most people arguing here dissects a comment into parts). you could have better used the term structures.
And as sub said in teamfight she wasn't that useless and her ult could set people up for another easy AoE burst ability or other ult's. because according to you the only thing she had was basic attack damage. but other mages with basic attack damage are very valuable in teamfight (
Also because smite doesn't have dedicated ratters like dota you won't know how annoying it can be (just to give you a bit of a view the 2 iconic ratters natures phrophet and tinker can easily be anywhere on the map after the laning phase (np has a teleport ability and tinker get's a fast boots of travel) they both have a ability to help push (np can summon treants from trees and tinker summons an big AoE that does damage and with his ult refreshing all CD (from abilities and most items aka free refresher orb) he can easily spam it tp back to base and continue.) but both of them can be dead if you catch them (but np can trap himself and port back so without range or a stun you can't get him.) and tinker can burst people down and when he has a blink dagger he will just jump into the forest and portal out making them both hard to catch) that's why we call them rats.
Also is smites backdoor protection (a damage reduction for the tower) not as big as dota's backdoor protection (healing all the damage up with a high regen making it hard to take it down unless you have the damage and AS) only when creeps come close this will wear off (I don't know if smite counts the clay soldiers as pets or minions)
oh also thx for playing my arguing game. I leave it to you to figure out how I mean this
I love how you basiclly agree with me saying that companys copy from each other and nothing is wrong with it and call me naive in the same sentence, you are so full of ********.
And the cloning thing, dude who is the one exxagerting xD, you are such
Half of this paragraph is insults. Now, really? How on earth am I supposed to reply to a statement that basically says "You're stupid and wrong?" There's nothing to argue with, which means you can't argue.
Finally, he admits that Nu Wa isn't some omnipotent monster!
FG and GF ARE objectives, young neophyte. Look up "neophyte," by the way.
So basically, you're saying she can solo towers unless stopped by an assassin...and she's practically useless in teamfights.
"she was pretty much useless in teamfights"
Um, firstly, she was hardly useless in teamfights with her decent damage and stuns and AoE CC.
Secondly, if you can just send an assassin to 100-0 her, and she's weaker in teamfights, I can't see why you think she was broken at all. It sounds like a perfectly reasonable trade-off: Pushing power for teamfight power. HOTS has the same system - the Specialist classes all revolve around pushing in exchange for other things, in theory. And the Specialist class doesn't break the game.
I guess someone as narrow-minded as HiRez and yourself can't understand that. Anything that deviates from the standard "HiRez suite" classes is something that must be purged.
*eyeroll*
If Nu Wa is splitpushing, that's not a 4v4, but a 5v4, unless you make it a 4v4. But then again, Smite doesn't really have a true splitpusher - gods who can splitpush, but no one who's a dedicated splitpusher, so I can see how you don't understand how to react to one.
In LoL, when someone is splitpushing, you either send someone after them or press your advantage. You could send the entire team after them. Or just one person. Or you can push yourselves, since it's a 4v5 and five push harder than one.
What you don't understand is that ANYONE could do that. Practically any physical damage dealer can pound on towers quickly, especially when no one's coming after them, and especially when half the enemy team is dead.
In any case, you said it yourself: Nu Wa "is useless" in teamfights. If that is true, she's hardly broken. Or is that "nitpicking," too?
Oh god get off my case, it was obvious as **** i meant towers, if you dont understand that, it is fking obvious you and sub never played Smite while Old Na was out, because otherwise you wouldn´t have called me out on that. Everbody who played at that time would have understood i meant objectives=towers, but it´s ok, i dont care how arrogant i seem to you since you didnt even played her. You are just here to call me out on a thing you dont understand, adios see you in a month or so.
Setolino, you are acting like a child.
I didn't even get to your real reply yet, and you're whining and generally being a pathetic, pedantic, pretentious prat who personally epitomizes the most problematic parts of this place. It's pitiful.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
I mean, your reply here is "OBJECTIVES DOESN'T MEAN FIRE GIANT! WAH!" I mean, really? You can't even come up with a decent argument. Besides, anyone with some MOBA know-how knows that the term "objectives" include monsters like Roshan or Dragon, but I guess you in particular are an exception.
Go ahead and ragequit; all you're doing is showing us how you're too incompetent to argue with someone who bothers to reply to your incoherent word salads.
Also I'm not the one who is doing really childish about losing an argument. all this nitpick accusation stuff is coming over really childish and ignorant. and it's all about the fact that you denied that you said something which you did in fact say:
Late Game she just solod every objectiv with her minions
But i never said she could solo fg or gf.
you may call it nitpicking. I'm calling this denying you said something what you did say and remembering you you did say it. If for you fg and gf don't fall under the term objectives then there is something wrong with your terminology (I hope that is the word I was searching for) as a lot of players on Sf and also on Reddit do count fg and gf as objectives.
this is all I have to say in defense of my nitpicking (or as it's translated to dutch screwing ants)
Rofl you guys are so pathetic, it was fking obvious what i actually meant, but you still nitpick, i am so ****ing done with you.
yeah still if you make a mistake in your arguments don't be angry when people point it out. it's the same as getting the skill player card played on you if you say things like:
You obvious never played against a Hades that is good,
that's how easy arguing, debating works. make a mistake into one of your argument that is gonna contradict another one (aka bite you in the ***) and it will be pointed out to you (bite you in the ***).
Also you just showed everyone how ignorant you are by calling someone pathetic because you made a mistake in your argument. You are starting to look like ICEN in that part.
Also am I going to accuse you of sounding like an (ignorant) arrogant prick lately. even more then sub who has been this all the time I have been on this forum. I'm probably even going to say you have the god complex ,sub got accused of, ever since you got your title from the guide contest.
Also I don't mind if you're done with me. because we probably have multiple people who are done with your arguing too (and as it looks a lot like ICEN now I know it are a lot of people)
But i never said she could solo fg or gf.
You did say it:
her ability to destroy objectives in seconds and survive it because of her kit
you see the word I underlined for you. That is the word you say she can solo fg gf because those 2 also fall under the category of objectives (Just like Rosh in Dota or dragon and Baron in LoL).
What other MOBAs do is take inspiration from each other, and yes, sometimes copy each other, but always in a way that makes it clear it is a unique product. In HotS, Zeratul has a AoE suppress that hits teammates as well as enemies, putting them in forced Aegis, as it were, as well as anyone else who touches the Void Prison. In LoL, Bard has at first seemingly the exact same ult, only it has massive range, a decent delay, and stuns everything, from minions to monsters to bosses to towers, and most importantly, only freezes people on-hit, making its use inherently different. Zeratul's is little more than a "get out of jail" card, while Bard's ult is more versatile, better suited for stalling enemies or saving allies.
I don't know fully how it works but this sounds a bit like a faceless void ult from Dota (it has a big range freezes everything (towers allies enemies creeps) inside it (we have some exceptions like a storm spirit in ult or jugger in omnislash/ untargetable targets) and faceless himself can move at 1000 MS in his ultimate.
Bards ult sounds more as an naga siren ult without the stunning towers (i believe she doesn't freeze towers) but well she makes every enemy she hits with it invincible for the duration of her ult (she can cancel it early)
And the cloning thing, dude who is the one exxagerting xD, you are such
But i never said she could solo fg or gf. I just pointed out that she was in late game impossible to stop pushing towers, except maybe, you set a 100-0 Loki or Lane clearing Kuku/agni on her ***, yet thats exactly what she wants, since she was pretty much useless in teamfights anyway, after her ult got nerfed (no Fenrir+Nu Wa Ult ******** anymore) everbody just ignored the zoning like, ye whatever... no damage anyway.
I don't the crayons to explain this to you, but if you are in a 4v4 situation, while with the constant fear that even if you put a person on her *** she still can attack the tower with her 3 out of tower range, you had to be aggresiv against her, however her kit as mentioned before let her survive, she could even sit at the mini camps and just rofl the tower from there with her Flaming Strike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKfSJlaP9Oc
Just as an example, she didnt even went any damage in that build, if you did that with Poly and Rod+ Demonic Grip that would have been 100% faster.